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FTC Statement Virtual Voice Technology - CallAssistant - from Vance Vogel
by Rudolf Faix Saturday, September 5, 2015 2:32 AM

Mr. Vance Vogel, CEO and founder of The Marketing Source, has submitted together with an explanation that they are using CallAssistant instead of Avatar systems, the following statement of the FTC from September 11, 2009 (I have only removed the page breaks):

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20580
Federal Trade Commission
Division of Marketing Practices
September 11, 2009

Dear Mr. Bills:

You have requested an informal staff opinion as to the applicability to 2008 amendments to the Telemarketing Sales Rule (“TSR”) to a particular technology used by CallAssistant, L.C.(“CallAssistant”). The amendments at issue impose new restrictions on the use of prerecorded messages in telemarketing. 16 C.F.R. § 310.4(b)(1)(v); 73 Fed. Reg. 15204 (Aug. 29, 2008).

Specifically, these amendments require, as of December 1, 2008, that any outbound telemarketing call that delivers a prerecorded message include: (1) if the call could be answered in person by a consumer, an automated interactive voice and/or keypress-activated opt-out mechanism that the call recipient can use at any time during the message to assert a Do Not Call request pursuant to § 310.4(b)(1)(iii)(A); and (2) if the call could be answered by an answering machine or voicemail service, a toll-free telephone number that the call recipient can use to assert a Do Not Call request pursuant to § 310.4(b)(1)(iii)(A). Additionally, as of September 1, 2009, the amendments prohibit any outbound telemarketing call that delivers a prerecorded message unless the seller has obtained from the recipient of the call an express agreement, in writing, that evidences the willingness of the recipient of the call to receive calls that deliver prerecorded messages by or on behalf of that seller and includes such person’s telephone number and signature.

As described in your letter, CallAssistant uses technology that enables its calling agents to interact with the recipient of a call using his or her own voice or by substituting appropriate audio recording of a response. According to your letter, when used to place outbound telemarketing calls, this technology works as follows:

A live agent using the System places a call to a consumer and hears the consumer greeting. In response to the greeting, the agent may elect to speak to the call recipient using his or her voice, or may press a button to play an appropriate recorded script segment. After the agent’s response, the agent listens to the consumer customer’s reply. After listening to the consumer’s reply, the live agent again chooses whether to speak to the call recipient in his or her own voice, or another recording. At all times, even during the playing of any recorded segment, the agent retains the power to interrupt any recorded message to listen to the consumer and respond appropriately.

In adopting the 2008 amendments, the Commission 1 recognized that in the future prerecorded message might eliminate the objections that prompted the adoption of the these rules and justify exemptions permitting interactive prerecorded messages:

[T]he Commission notes that it is aware that the technology used in making prerecorded messages interactive is rapidly evolving, and that affordable technological advances may eventually permit the widespread use of interactive messages that are essentially indistinguishable from conversing with a human being. Accordingly, nothing in this notice should be interpreted to foreclose the possibility of petitions seeking further amendment of the TSR or exemption from the provisions adopted here.

73 Fed. Reg. 51180 (Aug. 29, 2008).

Furthermore, according to your description, “live agents hear every word spoken by the call recipient, and determine what is said” in response. A single agent always stays with a call from beginning to end.

You seek an opinion as to whether the amended TSR provisions on the use of prerecorded messages in telemarketing apply to CallAssistant’s calls that employ the technology summarized above. Based on the description of the technology included in your letter, the staff of the Federal Trade Commission has concluded that the 2008 TSR amendments cited above do not prohibit telemarketing calls using this technology if the calls that otherwise comply with the TSR and other applicable law. The 2008 amendments at 16 C.F.R. § 310.4(b)(1)(v) prohibit calls that deliver a prerecorded message and do not allow interaction with call recipients in a manner virtually indistinguishable from calls conducted by live operators. Unlike the technology that you describe, the delivery of prerecorded messages in such calls does not involve a live agent who controls the content and continuity of what is said to respond to concerns, questions, comments – or demands – of the call recipient.

In adopting the 2008 TSR amendments, the Commission noted that the intrusion of a telemarketing call on a consumer’s right to privacy “may be exacerbated immeasurably when there is no human being on the other end of the line.” 73 Fed. Reg. at 51180. The Commission observed that special restrictions on prerecorded telemarketing messages were warranted because they “convert the telephone from an instrument for two-way conversations into a oneway device for transmitting advertisements.” Id.1 Consequently, in Staff’s view, the concerns about prerecorded messages addressed in the 2008 TSR amendments do not apply to the calls described above, in which a live human being continuously interacts with the recipient of a call in a two-way conversation, but is permitted to respond by selecting recorded statements.

Nevertheless, the use of such technology in a campaign to induce the sales of goods or services, or charitable donations is “telemarketing” under the Telemarketing and Consumer Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act, 15 U.S.C. § 6106(4), and therefore must comply with the Rule’s other requirements and prohibitions. In particular, the technology must connect an outbound telephone call to a live agent within two seconds of the call recipient’s completed greeting. 16 C.F.R. § 310.4(b)(1)(iv). The agents making calls using this technology must disclose the purpose of the call, the identity of the seller, make other required disclosures, and comply with other TSR provisions preventing deceptive and abusive conduct. Id. §§ 310.3 and 310.4.

Please be advised that this opinion is based exclusively on all the information furnished in your request. This opinion applies only to the extent that actual company practices conform to the material submitted for review. Please be advised further that the views expressed in this letter are those of the FTC staff. They have not been reviewed, approved, or adopted by the Commission, and they are not binding upon the Commission. However, they do reflect the opinions of the staff members charged with enforcement of the TSR.

Lois Greisman
Associate Director
Division of Marketing Practices

 In short - the system Virtual Voice Technology is only legal if:

  • a live agent hears the called party from the greeting until the hang-up or transfer.
  • an agent is active in the line within 2 seconds the called party has finished his greeting.
  • the live agent is free in his choice to speak with the called party or playing prerecorded messages.
  • if the live agent is playing prerecorded messages he needs to have a possibility to stop the playback.
  • the Telemarketing Sales Rules (TSR) does not get changed.

 

Slavery offer: CCL VVT none Voice or Semi-Voice campaign - The Marketing Source
by Rudolf Faix Thursday, September 3, 2015 9:38 AM

This campaign offer is not a scam, but in summary is it even worse than a SCAM because the client likes even to earn from the call center. But the centers are guilty by themselves, if they are accepting the conditions in the contract. Each business owner need to know what he is doing and he is responsible for his own decision.

The client is Caribbean Cruise Line, Inc. located at 2419 E Commercial Blvd Ste 100, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33308-4042, website http://www.bahamascruiseregistration.com. By taking a look at the website of the U.S. Better Business Bureau (BBB) then we’ll find about the Caribbean Cruise Line, Inc. that there have been during the last 3 years 1,253 complaints closed with the BBB from which have been 335 during the last 12 months. Already this shows which kind of business this company is running and how they are handling their customers. You’ll find at the site a government action too, which you can find in my article “FTC and ten state attorneys general take action against political survey robocallers pitching cruise line vacations to the Bahamas”.

Responsible for this campaign is The Marketing Source, Inc. located in 12551 Indian Rocks Rd. Suite 2, Largo., FL 33774 with owner Vance Vogel. A Robbie Middleton is promoting this campaign and makes the billing for this campaign. I don’t know if the conditions for this campaign got invented from the Caribbean Cruise Line, Inc. or from The Marketing Source, Inc. It does not really matter, but these conditions are a simple rip-off for the call centers which are working for them:

  • The center is requited to use their CallAssistant System. The center has to pay $10 per week and per connection. The center is required to have at least 10 agents where each agent needs to handle 2 connections at the same time.
    That does not sound very much, but it is at least $200 per week and the center does not really get something for it. My opinion is that profiteering because the phone system itself has a value of around $500 - $600 and the CallAssistant system can only get used for the CCL campaign. This one which likes that this system has to get used has to pay for it. The call center has no benefit from it.

  • CPD (Cost Per Deal) factor (see the Word document VVT CPD Explanation.docx (17.84 kb))
    The CPD reduces or increases the payout for the successful transfer. Already the name proves the cheat. The client does not have any costs per deal as the center gets billed for usage of their systems and for the VoIP minutes. Whether Caribbean Cruise Lines neither The Marketing Source is able to give an explanation for these costs per deal. With other words they like to make money from the call center.

    The costs per deal are even getting increased (lower payout for the center) for the following conditions:
    • Transferring a call where no customer was on the line
      Each cold called customer will hang up if he needs to wait too long for a transfer. In this case is not the call center which is transferring the call guilty

    • Transferring a call where the customer was not interested
      That depends on the mood of the agent which is picking up the line during the life transfer too and cannot get controlled from the sending center.

    • Transferring a call where the customer did not have a credit or debit card
      If the agent which picks up the line is not friendly or says the wrong words, I'll say that I have no credit cards too even if I have said before that I have one. Such a case can get proved by listening the recordings of the sending center only.

    • Transferring a call where mandatory recordings were not played
      If the CallAssistant system is good instead of quick and dirty programmed, then the transfer would not be possible if the mandatory recordings were not played.

    I have seen by myself that additional to the above rules is the transfer counter working wrong. It are getting 40% more transfers counted as really happened and it are getting calls transferred without any action of the agent. All this failures seems to have the only purpose to minimize the payout of the call center.

  • The center is to required to buy VoIP from them
    Together with the other facts is this behaviour strange, because this one, which pays for it has to be able to chose the provider to buy from. As The Marketing Source Inc. and/or the Caribbean Cruise Lines Inc. are showing at the points above that they even try to earn by profiteering from the call centers are even here only end user prices billed and not reseller prices.

By taking a look at the website of Caribbean Cruise Line Inc. (http://www.bahamascruiseregistration.com/) we see that their business model is not a trusted one and in not conform with any fair trading standards. At Google are getting a lot more complaints about the Caribbean Cruise Line Inc. found. I list here only a few. At Cruise Critic we can find that the passengers have to participate at a five hours timeshare presentation. At CBS news you can read how their customer get handled and your lead destroyed at the call center you’ll transfer the customer. Some of their methods are getting described at the Rip-Off Report, Complaints Board and Jim Walker’s Cruise Law News. Even at the customer reviews of the U.S. Better Business Bureau are 75% reporting a negative experience, 66.67% will not recommend and 33.33% are undecided in recommending this company.

You see how the Caribbean Cruise Lines Inc. is handling their customers. Think about it how you will get handled from them as their supplier! A result can be looking like the following weekly billings sent out from The Marketing Source – Robbie Middleton:

Screenshot about payments to the call center of Krishna Varma

Everybody which is working with such a company like Caribbean Cruise Lines Inc. need not wondering himself if the shit from them is coloring themselves too! A business which has during the last 3 years in average 1.15 complaints to get handled per day from the U.S. Better Business Bureau is fighting for the last cent until a government institution will force them to pay. A serious business will avoid to get listed in such a way at the U.S. Better Business Bureau.

Brokers are getting paid from their client to find call centers doing their campaigns and for this the broker are not asking if the center can make profit or not. Scammers like Omer Ali - Oceanspace Innovative service pvt Ltd are offering this campaign against an up-front fee of 2 Lakhs (INR 200,000 ~ US$ 3,014). You can now calculate yourself that in the case you get the campaign from the scammer and you make some little earnings with this campaign that you'll need years for getting your up-front fees back.

Domain registration data from themarketingsource.com:

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Update September 5, 2015: Vance Vogel from The Marketing Source sent a statement from the FTC under which conditions prerecorded messages are allowed to getting played. This statement can get found in the article "FTC Statement Virtual Voice Technology - CallAssistant, L.C. - submitted by The Marketing Source - Vance Vogel"

Update September 7, 2015: Robbie Middleton from The Marketing Source sent a statement. This statement can get found in the article "The Marketing Source - Robbie Middleton - sent a bad joke instead of a proof"

 

Scammer: Omer Ali - Oceanspace Innovative service pvt Ltd - wants to become self-credible by attacking me and my blog
by Rudolf Faix Wednesday, September 2, 2015 4:04 AM

Profile picture of Omer AliOmer Ali wants to become self-credible by attacking me and my blog. He even did not make any proper investigations to know, that I’m already retired and for this I’m not offering any services and products on the Internet. I run this blog only for keep myself a little bit busy not getting bored.

On the other hand he is offering campaigns copied from Internet. So he has copied the campaigns from Deep Blue Marketing, which are available for centers without any fees, but they are not available for brokers. F or his “BIG COPY & PASTE WORK” he is asking for 1 lakh – 2 lakhs (INR 100,000 – 200,000). Offers with up-fronts are proving that the broker has no contract with the client. Brokers are getting paid from this one, which is hiring them and you can be sure that not one client will search for a broker in India. In this case he can search for a call center directly too and save even the broker fee.

Omar Ali is using his real name and is running with his partners Abdul Sami and Abdul Adil the registered company Oceanspace Innovative Service Pvt Ltd in India, but from the past we know that even real companies are scamming others. Omar Ali's LinkedIn profile can get found here and the company details at CompanyWiki.in, QuckCompany.in and ZaubaCorp.com.

It seems that he is not clear in his brain because in his stupidity he has sent the emails to both of my email addresses (gmail.com and wwpa.com). I expected from a scammer a little bit more intelligence than that what Omer Ali is showing us. Maybe the missing intelligence is the reason why his company needs to try it now with scamming others.

The email with his SCAM-offer:

Genuine Voice process available Live transfer
omer ali [omerali.oceanspace@gmail.com]
Gesendet:Dienstag, 1. September 2015 22:12

HI,Live transfer campaign available. Interested please ping me.Brokers excuses us

 

1)UK Pension Survey campaign with hotkey transfer.

 

No Leads, No Dialer no VoIP provided.

Payouts £30.00 per accepted lead that meets criteria from client

Payment terms, weekly by wire only.

Minimum agent 10

Consultancy charges applicable

Only 30 seats left,book it fast

Mail us for further more details

 

2)UK Personal Injury campaign with hotkey transfer.

No Leads, No Dialer no VoIP provided.

Payouts £250.00 per accepted claim that meets criteria from client

Payment terms, weekly by wire only.

Min 10 agents to start.

Consultancy charges applicable

Only 30 seats left,book it fast

Mail us for further more details

 

3)Solar Energy Posting Lead Generation Campaign

No Leads, No Dialer no VoIP provided.

Call Centers offer a free In-Home Survey to Homeowners with power bills +$100.00.

Payouts +-$50.00 per approved hot transfer.

Min 10 agents to start.

 

4)Avatar cruise campaign

Agents no need to speak anything

You can buy all the leads,dailer,avatar software n voip provided by us

We charge 2lakhs for 10 agents

We have reference center all over India

 

 

We are running this campaign more than 2 years

 We have reference centers all over India

We have billing proof

Each campaign for 11 months contract

you will be working with us for 11months

11months contract you have to pay 1 lakh

If you want to extent you have to pay extra 50 thousand for 3 years contract.

 

Regards

Omer ali

Managin Director

Oceanspace Innovative service pvt Ltd

Email :omerali.oceanspace@gmail.com

mobile no:7093000300

 

The email from Omar Ali where he tries to attack me. All the named websites are only there for defaming people. Everybody can post what he likes without any proof. At the most sites are even one time email addresses possible. At least I need not make a Google search for the actual collection from my victims which done this postings in a revenge. Even the accusation that I take money for deleting entries from my blog is an invention because it does not help if I delete an entry. The Internet does not forget something and you’ll find the content if the content does not get copied from other sites too at least in the Google cache and in the Internet archives like Way-Back-Machine. Nobody can offer a deletion of some negative content in the Internet:

beware of rudolf
omer ali [omerali.oceanspace@gmail.com]
Gesendet:Mittwoch, 2. September 2015 00:08

Hi Guys,

Please make a true attention to this email!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a Article we found in the web which is clearly describe about the Complain against Mr. Rudolf Faix who has created a blog as :- http://blog.wwpa.com

He posted several campaigns against several BPO Outsourcing companies. Also he did not make any proper investigation about that company whether that company is really genuine or not, then he start..............................................

Here is the link, and the article in which you have found about some facts what and why he doing exactly and how dangerous player this person???????????????/

Please read this article carefully and requesting to share with your comments and reviews as much as possible.Also if you are a members of his group which is created on the FACEBOOK so please also just post this Article link for general people what RUDOLF DO EXACTLY..................................

http://www.consumercomplaints.in/

https://rudolffaix.wordpress.com/

http://rudolffa.blogspot.in/

http://indianconsumercomplaints.in/article.php?id=28421 (2016-02-25: Link removed - the site is actual down)

http://www.complaintlists.com/rudolf-faix-please-have-a-look-the-complaint-against-rudolf-faix-and-what-he-is-demanding/

http://www.complaintboard.com/30695-complaints-l29502.html

http://wwpa.pissedconsumer.com/rudolf-faix-is-a-big-scammer-be-ware-with-the-person-20150210592965.html

http://www.consumercomplaints.co/

http://www.consumerforums.in/

Note:-Also see the one proof for your reference with attachment which is we collected from the web.

Thanks

The domain registration data of my domain wwpa.com - everybody can verify the data at the homepage of Networksolutions just follow the link at Whois search:

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Registrant Name: Rudolf Faix
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Registry Tech ID:
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Update September 11, 2015:

Omar Ali prooves with an email that he is not a business man:

Warning Mail
omar ali [oceanspace.omarali@gmail.com]
Gesendet:Freitag, 11. September 2015 08:10

Rudolf Faix Am warning you again n again you fucking bastard if i see my company name anywhere in the blog or any professional website.I will screw happiness, Stop spreading rumors about my company other wise i will publish about you in such a way in all the online portals that you will not be able to do any business,Are you a jobless,instead of spreading rumor about the companies go & work somewhere at least you will get a wages & concentrate on your families instead of concentrate on the world,stop poking your fucking nose in my fucking business.You get that.

Screenshot of the email:
Screenshot of the threatening email from Omer Ali

With the email shows Omar Ali that he did never get any education. For scamming is it not necessary to have more than a big mouth! His prospective customers can read here already what is awaiting them.

 

A seldom stupid scammer: Sagar Gupta - Webourney Consulting Services
by Rudolf Faix Sunday, August 23, 2015 9:00 AM

Sagar GuptaThe very stupid scammer Sagar Gupta has tried to scam my LinkedIn friends to get campaigns. He writes that he even has experience in “banking” campaigns. I hope that all are already knowing already that a bank will never outsource any campaign because their customer data are high protected by the law. For the case a bank staff forwards any information about a customer to someone else outside of the bank he will end up in jail and the bank needs to pay a high fine for the security breach. For this reason the Scammer Sagar Gupta can only have any experience on his own banking account for the case he has one.

The scammer Sagar Gupta is from India and seems to use a call forwarding service from Canada. If he would be really located in Canada, then he would know where he need to search for clients and campaigns. His behavior shows only that he is a big liar.

As I have in sum more than 2,000 “friends” at the social networks, mostly call centers and scammers, will it be a hard job for a scammer to find out exactly the three trusted campaign-broker friends which are offering campaigns without any upfront. Not one of the three will allow others trading their campaigns. For this is there no chance for a scammer in getting rich by using this way.

The LinkedIn email from the scammer Sagar Gupta:

On 8/20/15, 12:21 PM, Sagar Gupta wrote:
--------------------
Hello Mr. Kothari,

As per our telephonic conversation, I am sending you this email containing overview of my profile and details of company. I got your reference and details from Mr. Rudolf Faix for the BPO campaigns.

My name is Sagar Gupta. I am CEO | Co-founder of Weboitte company which is located in the region of Kitchener/Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. I just started a call center business in India with the name of Webourney Consulting Services Pvt Ltd. I am expecting a lot from this company, everything has been done just seeking for some clients as the first step. My level of expertise in this business is sales, telecommunication, marketing, banking and many more. As a start-up I am looking for genuine clients and projects. Me and my company are good for inbound/outbound and back-end services and also we are specialist in chat support field.

Moving forward I want to make good relation in the market of a call center. I will look forward for your reply.


Thanks and Regards’
Sagar Gupta
CEO | Webourney Consulting Services
+1 5199983030

If you get some campaigns offered from the scammer Sagar Gupta or from Webourney Consulting Services you should put the email into the trash box. It is only a waste of time and money to deal with such a scammer. You can also be sure that I don't support and campaign trader which are asking for any fees or deposits from the centers. Please ask me for a confirmation for the case that someone use my name for any recommendation in making business with you. It is for your own security.

 

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Scammer Exposed

Scammer: Pritesh Pradeep Saitwal - Ganesh Dhananjay Godse - Bankruptcy ARIMA APP STORE
by Rudolf Faix Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:31 AM

Ganesh Dhananjay GodseThis case shows what happens if people try to build up a business without having enough funds and not any knowledge about business. They are promising and making orders in the hope to earn. The result is a big fail. It seems to be in India usual to simple disappear after failing in business. In any case it is a big crime to escape in this way from the responsibility. Such a behavior results in other countries in a prison sentence.

As much as I understand the anger of the call center owner Amith D'Silva that he lost money by this process as much he is guilty by himself too. They started to sell a product in January, which has not been available at this time. In such a case they tried to sell dreams. At this time the alarm bells have to ring already.

If I read the following LinkedIn Pulse article found at https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/beware-arima-app-store-which-fraud-company-amith-d-silva?trk=hb_ntf_MEGAPHONE_ARTICLE_POST, then I get the impression that not one of the participating parties had any knowledge how to build up a business. Even I'm not able to classify them as amateurs. Amateurs have more knowledge about a business than all the participating people including the call center owner. How a call center can promote a product under their own phone numbers and email addresses without any knowledhe how the product is working? How they can handle in such a case complaints from the customers if they are running into failures? The customers are calling this number back from which they got called.

It seems that even the app-store got programmed cheap, quick, dirty and without any knowledge of international standards. Nobody has made any tests of the ready product. An European court would decide in each case to negligent bankruptcy offense and the CEO must be personally liable, since the commercial due diligence has been violated.

The LinkedIn Pulse article shows exactly the fails of both parties:

BEWARE of ARIMA APP STORE which is a Fraud Company

Pritesh Pradeep SaitwalHey Everyone,
I would like to give you a brief about my worst experience with Arima App Store and would recommend each and everyone to read. The Directors Mr. Pritesh Pradeep Saitwal and Ganesh Dhananjay Godse met Prachin Shirsat in the Train through a friend who were seeking a Call Center for their Project so known as Arima App Store around in September 2014. Prachin then introduces them to Mr. Amith D'Silva Proprietor Of Corona Borealis & Crux Services which is a Call Center based in Jesal Park, Bhayandar (East).

Mr. Ganesh Godse & Mr. Pritesh Saitwal from Arima App Store wanted the calling to be on $10 / Sale on which our company had disagreed since it was a new company and they wanted Leads to be generated and closed. We came upon an agreement on which $4 was decided per hour per seat upon which a mail was sent from Mr. Ganesh Godse on January 08, 2015. In the start Mr. Ganesh had promised the payment would be received within Net 7 days from the Invoice raising.

The process then started on January 15, 2015 and the website was first shown on February 18, 2015 upon which the website was very normal that no Software Developer would have put his application or software with a charge of INR 2000.00 for a lifetime. The script which was supposed to be given by Arima App Store where as it was not produced by Arima App Store. We prepared the Script for Arima App Store where no charges were charged to them and training was given from our end where as Information was only given by Mr. Ganesh Godse. Upon receiving complains from the clients who then told the agents working for Arima App Store that the website is not up to date. Please update the website and then give us a call. Complains were sent to Ganesh in Verbal as well as thru mails. Ganesh then informed us to stop the process on February 06, 2015 upon which we were informed that the first web designer has been changed and he is bringing into the picture a new web designer who will make the website up to date and one of the best. We had a meeting with the Web Designer upon which we discussed the pros and cons of the website. The Project was then put on hold. A call was made to Mr. Ganesh Godse on February 08,2015 to release the first payment. He then informed that he will arrange for the funds along with the February 2015 Payment. We never charged him for the days we kept our center closed due to his Website being updated. We helped him since he was new and was seeking support for his company to grow since he showed us decency.

The project then started on February 20, 2015 upon which the Website was satisfactory and the clients were ready to move ahead and invest but this time they wanted a mail explaining about the website and what are the features. We then informed Mr. Ganesh Godse to prepare the mails on which he prepared a mail with just these words as mentioned below

Hi NAME,
Welcome To Arima Apps Store

Username - Name89
Password - 5898#8

Thanks for joining Arima App Store.

Regards
Arima App Store

The clients then were getting irate on the agents who were calling and we also informed Mr. Ganesh Godse who used to come twice or thrice a week to the office that in this manner we cannot get business in this manner for his company. He then informed us that the web designer does not understand how to make the mail and for him he does not know since he is new and does not have a background about Marketing and Sales. He asked if we could help him and we did send him 6 different mail formats. But they were not published the way we had prepared them and the web designer who say they were professionals were engaged in different issues in the website they were facing due to the website for eg. the mobile number when saved in the database used to show us +1 and then the mobile number of India or some awkward numbers. When we asked Ganesh about the payment he said he will make arrangements on March 15, 2015 as he does not have the funds with him and he has put all the money in the website. The dates were then extended to March 22, 2015 then went to March 28, 2015. The reason he said was he had applied for a loan which was not sanctioned. Then Mr. Ganesh Godse from Arima App Stores came to the office on April 08, 2015 and informed us to stop the calling henceforth and he will try to make arrengements of the payments by April 22, 2015 but to be on a safer side he gave us Cheques Dated May 02, 2015. When asked him how he is making arrangements he said he has given a builder some 12 Lakhs as investment upon which the builder is giving him 9 Lakhs. When asked for the papers he said he will bring it and has never shown. He then called me on the April 30, 2015 requesting me that the funds have not been arranged and to inform all agents not to put the cheque. He said he will arrange the funds and has been giving us dates after dates. The final date was July 25, 2015 upon which he said he will transfer the amount by Saturday July 25, 2015 or Monday July 27, 2015. When I called him from my number he does not answer and when I called him from another number at 11am he picked up the phone and informed that he is on his way to transfer the funds. I informed him to answer the phone but neither he answers the phone neither does he call back. Then at 1pm I call him from another number and he answers the call when I ask him about the money he says give me 10mins and thereafter neither he picked up the calls neither reverted to the messages. A payment of nearly 7 Lakhs is pending. Mr. Ganesh Godse from Arima App Store is not trust worthy in dealing with. I am putting his cheques and also lodging a complain and have informed the same to the agents to do so. This is what we get in return for helping a person and supporting him setting up his company. I have Mails, Screenshots which after lodging a complain will pull him to court. I never wanted all this but since he is not reverting back to my messages, Phone Calls, Mails. The only option left is pull Arima App Store and specially Ganesh Godse to court. He will show you the grass in greener on the other side but when he takes you there it just a desert. Luckily no Investors or No Centers have taken his process otherwise they would have repented like how we are doing. Please be careful Of Arima App Store before investing a rupee. They give false commitments. If you want proofs I can submit.

Proofes from the failed project:

1. Mail as on January 08, 2015

From: Arima Store <arimaapps@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:13 PM
Subject: Sales Process
To: amith.dsilva@live.in


Hi Amith,
 
This email is in the reference to our discussion on sales process of Arima Apps Store
 
 

Arima Profile

Arima Apps is a unique place where users can take advantage of a private online hard disk dedicated to storing, publishing, and sharing, material and Personal content for mobile devices -- including pictures, ringtones, wallpapers, logos, as well as the most appropriate applications for each users' mobile phones. & pc Services provided to the registered users which can be adapted and then sent to Cell Phones throughout the World. Arima app store brings you the wide range of Apps and Games to download from. Which are available to download for OS like Android, iOS, Windows. Currently, Arima Apps provides its Users a web-based online hard disk, dedicated to storing, publishing and sharing material and personal content for Cell Phones (ie applications, pictures, games, utilities, logos, ringtones, images and audio executable files). Arima Apps Users may save, share and distribute their personal files over the Web, via Mobile, and to virtually any Cell Phone in the World. Users enjoy the use of a private area to save their material. User content can be kept private or can be made available to the entire Arima Apps community, depending on the wishes of the posting User. Arima Apps provides a Service for storing, publishing, managing and sharing personal mobile content for all Cell Phones – regardless of Cell Phone manufacturer and wireless service provider. Personal mobile content on Arima Apps public area can also be downloaded to any PC and mobile device.

Opportunity for Call Center

The Distribution of Wealth Across iOS and Android Apps, July 31, 2012

The iTunes App Store and Google Play now offer more than 600,000 apps each.  And Apple’s most recent earnings call revealed that the company has paid out more than $5.5 billion to developers since the launch of the App Store.

Let’s start with market growth. Likewise, premium and in-app purchase revenue is increasing at a rate of 50%,from $4.5 billion in 2011 to $6.7 billion in 2012

 

Depending on what source you use there are anywhere from 5 to 6 billion mobile subscribers worldwide. Many of these subscribers are using apps every day. This is the perfect time to start your very own marketing business in apps and apps store. We are bringing this Opportunity for call centers.

 

1. We are outsourcing $4 per hr/seat

2. Minimum require area 500 square feet commercial

3. Seating arrangement minimum 07

4. Contract of 11 months

5. Daily Target of 5 sales per agent

 

Role of Call Center

 

Distribute Apps | Android Developers

 Apps on Arima Store

The most amazing platform in the world for uploading Android/IOS/Windows apps. Cloud-connected and always synced, it's never been easier for users to find and download apps...

It’s quick and easy to register and begin distributing apps on Arima Store.

 

Before you begin

There is a onetime $34 registration fee charged for Arima Store Developer Console account. We charge this fee to encourage higher quality products on Arima Store (ie. less products with SPAM).

Developer must be located in a supported country to distribute apps on Arima Store. There are additional requirements to sell apps on Arima Store.

 

Registering as a Developer

Log in to the Arima account that will act as the Account Owner for your Developer Account.

Visit the Developer Console signup page to begin registration.
During registration, must accept Developer Distribution Agreement to continue. If account has previously been in violation of this agreement, you cannot register as Arima store Developer.

Pay the registration fee using a valid payment method.

Fill out account details, including your Developer Name. This is the name that is displayed on the Arima apps Store.

Please note that it may take up to 48 hours for your Arima Store Developer Console registration to be fully processed

 

Thanks
Arima Team
 
2. Process Was Kept On Hold from February 08,2015 Till February 20, 2015 
Reason : The Website was not up to date and was not looking professional. When we were calling the clients they just saw the website and said they were not interested. Even the mails which was sent to the clients were as follows
 
Hi NAME,
                 Welcome To Arima Apps Store
 
Username - Name89
Password - 5898#8
 
Thanks for joining Arima App Store.
 
Regards
Arima App Store
 
Mr. Ganesh Godse (Arima App Store) informed us that he has changed the Web Developer and given the Web Designing work to a company called Aabit Soft and the web designer also came to our office to make an inquiry as too what the clients were saying to make the website perfect. Hence the process was closed till February 21, 2015. When we asked about the payment he said he was short on cash and hence invested all his money in the website work. He informed us he would give January and February Billing together by the 15th Of March 2015.
 
3. Process Started on February 21, 2015
 
4. Whatsapp Proof from 20th February 2015 (Part is in English and part is in Hindi).
 
20/02/15 9:39:03 am: Ganesh Godse: www.chupamobile.com
 
21/02/15 9:59:47 am: Ganesh Godse: aane ke liye der hogi muze.. ek meeting hai wo khtam karake aaunga 2 baje tak
 
21/02/15 9:59:51 am: Ganesh Godse: sorry
 
03/03/15 10:06:05 am: Ganesh Godse: Not able to come today because of illness
 
05/03/15 10:08:39 am: Ganesh Godse: Not able to today becouse of some meeting with investers in pune.. call center panel and mail things wil take time to done it wil be done on saturday night..
 
05/03/15 11:00:11 am: Ganesh Godse: Mail ka jaam 3 baje tak ho jayega
 
07/03/15 3:00:19 pm: Ganesh Godse: Yes we can send the mail now .. I wil cl in hr send mails at night
 
07/03/15 3:00:31 pm: Ganesh Godse: And also I wil send data
 
09/03/15 11:11:15 am: Ganesh Godse: Amith sir payment ka nahi ho pa raha hai arragement.. aap is month me arrange kar lo agale mahine ke 26-27 tak ho jayega humari taraf se
 
14/03/15 11:40:21 am: Ganesh Godse: W m will be late .. wil come at 5 pm
 
19/03/15 9:28:49 am: Ganesh Godse: Will come at 4 pm
 
25/03/15 5:42:28 pm: Ganesh Godse: Devloper no-8898517323
 
30/03/15 10:12:00 am: Amith D'Silva: Surendra - +91-7208-0158-70
Reema - +91-7208-0158-74
Bharti - +91-7208-0158-77
 
30/03/15 10:13:37 am: Amith D'Silva: Call our Customer Service on +91-7208-0158-70/78
 
07/04/15 10:28:40 am: Amith D'Silva: Please give me some good news abt the cash
 
07/04/15 4:50:08 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kabhi tak aa rahe ho
 
07/04/15 4:51:32 pm: Amith D'Silva: They are asking me abt the money continuously and secondly abt the mails
 
07/04/15 5:22:33 pm: Ganesh Godse: Aaj nahi ho paraha ammount ka sir mai kuch solution nikal ke aap ko cl karata hu thodi der me
 
07/04/15 5:24:18 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kitna ho paa raha hai
 
07/04/15 5:24:38 pm: Amith D'Silva: 50k ho sakta hai
 
07/04/15 5:24:54 pm: Amith D'Silva: Unko Feb ka dekhe shaant kara du
 
07/04/15 5:25:12 pm: Amith D'Silva: Unke ghar se bahut problem ho raha hai
 
07/04/15 5:25:34 pm: Amith D'Silva: Unlog ne mere kehne pe 7 tarik bola tha ghar waalo ko
 
07/04/15 9:16:42 pm: Ganesh Godse: I have sent you mail please check out
 
07/04/15 10:07:19 pm: Amith D'Silva: Where r u.
 
07/04/15 10:07:34 pm: Amith D'Silva: I am waiting for u in the office
 
07/04/15 10:23:10 pm: Amith D'Silva: Aa rahe ho ki nahi... Ye tou batao.
 
07/04/15 10:23:33 pm: Amith D'Silva: I have called the people for the cash
 
07/04/15 10:23:43 pm: Amith D'Silva: It is better if u talk
 
10/04/15 3:10:23 pm: Ganesh Godse: 2bdf4d94ab963da747de6139c2012393.jpg <attached>
 
10/04/15 3:10:46 pm: Ganesh Godse: 14fdf20a8e0097dc8959d5a5e0b390bc.jpg <attached>
 
10/04/15 3:11:34 pm: Ganesh Godse: 70de010a77c9bfcff218d1017608c69c.jpg <attached>
 
10/04/15 3:11:55 pm: Amith D'Silva: Picture blurr hai
 
10/04/15 3:12:05 pm: Amith D'Silva: Nazar nahi aa raha hai properly
 
10/04/15 3:12:29 pm: Ganesh Godse: Clear nahi aa rahi mai mail karata hu
 
10/04/15 3:12:35 pm: Amith D'Silva: Ok
 
10/04/15 3:12:56 pm: Amith D'Silva: Aap ki taraf se kuch hua payment ka
 
10/04/15 3:13:07 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kitna tak aap kar sakte ho
 
10/04/15 3:13:38 pm: Ganesh Godse: Abhi muze be jarurat hai 20000 ka
 
10/04/15 3:13:50 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kyuki agents ke ghar pe bahut problem ho rahi hai
 
10/04/15 3:14:00 pm: Ganesh Godse: Mera to loan ka aayega tabhi hoga
 
10/04/15 3:14:39 pm: Amith D'Silva: Woh tou problem hai ab waqt nahi hai
 
10/04/15 3:27:14 pm: Amith D'Silva: Mail bhej diya
 
10/04/15 9:53:02 pm: Ganesh Godse: Car ka nahi ho payega Amitsir
 
11/04/15 9:43:10 am: Amith D'Silva: Kitne baaje tak a rahe ho
 
11/04/15 9:43:23 am: Ganesh Godse: 11.30
 
11/04/15 9:44:10 am: Amith D'Silva: 10000 tak cash ho paayenga aap se
 
11/04/15 9:45:27 am: Ganesh Godse: Nahi ho payega sir
 
11/04/15 9:45:56 am: Amith D'Silva: Chaalo thik hai
 
11/04/15 9:46:46 am: Ganesh Godse: Mai chek leke aata hu 2 tarikh ka unko bol do sir
 
11/04/15 9:47:24 am: Amith D'Silva: Woh tou aapke saamne baat karta hu
 
12/04/15 11:03:26 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kya hua phone kiya tha
 
12/04/15 11:03:48 pm: Amith D'Silva: Maine 2 baar phone kiya tha aapne jawab nahi diya
 
02/05/15 7:52:54 am: Ganesh Godse: Cl me
 
02/05/15 7:53:00 am: Ganesh Godse: Kal kaam nahi hua
 
02/05/15 7:53:53 am: Ganesh Godse: Jaldi hone ke kuch chances bhi nahi hai aur 2-3din idhar rehake dekhata hu kya hota hai
 
02/05/15 9:53:51 am: Ganesh Godse: Please inform to employees do not deposit heir cheques in bank
 
02/05/15 10:03:39 am: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji sab ko paise ki zaroorat hai. Reema ko chennai jaana hai 5 tarik ko. Vo paisa maang rahi thi. Mujhe bhi pressure aa raha hai. Aap 2 ya 3 fin mat karo yaha pe 1.5 months ho gaya hai. Dusri taraf project mil raha hai par le nahi sakta kyuki rolling ke liye paise nahi hai
 
02/05/15 10:03:55 am: Amith D'Silva: Center chalo karoo tou kaise
 
02/05/15 10:04:56 am: Amith D'Silva: Sab bills chukta karoonga tou hi center chaloo kar sakta hu
 
02/05/15 2:19:31 pm: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji Reema ka daddy nahi sunn rahe hai woh bol rahe hai woh cheque daalne jaa raha hai aur bounce ho gay woh office ke yaha pe aake tamasha kar denga
 
02/05/15 2:20:11 pm: Amith D'Silva: Mein nahi jaanta aap kuch karo kyuki har jagah mera naam kharab ho raha hai
 
02/05/15 2:20:58 pm: Amith D'Silva: Unki baat bhi sahi thi kitne mahine se paisa atak gaya hai
 
02/05/15 2:22:57 pm: Amith D'Silva: Ab kuch jyaada pressure aa raha hai
 
03/05/15 12:39:35 am: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji kisi bhi halat mein mujhe kal tak paisa karke de dou ek tou reema ke dad ke saath mera muh ki boli ho gayi aur woh aa rahe hai office mein hungama karne. Mein kyu apna company ka ya area mein apna naam kharaab karoo
 
07/05/15 8:04:54 am: Ganesh Godse: Amit sir mai abhi bhi pune me hu .. aap jab free ho cl karana
 
07/05/15 8:04:54 am: Ganesh Godse: I Want to talk to you
 
08/05/15 2:15:47 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kya hua kal call kiya tha par aap meeting mein busy teh
 
08/05/15 2:16:09 pm: Amith D'Silva: Phone karke information tou de dou
 
08/05/15 2:16:21 pm: Amith D'Silva: Idhar har din tension badh raha hai
 
08/05/15 2:16:53 pm: Amith D'Silva: Aaj aapko phone kiya toh mobile switch kar diya aapne
 
08/05/15 2:17:18 pm: Amith D'Silva: Please call karo mujhe
 
08/05/15 2:42:42 pm: Ganesh Godse: Baat chal rahi hai abhi tak final nahi hua jaise he hota hai mai bata dunga
 
08/05/15 2:44:32 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kal aaye teh meter leke jaane ke liye Reliance waale aur bole ki bill nahi bara tou ek saath connection kat denge aur reconnection ke liye Santacruz jaana padenga
 
08/05/15 2:44:44 pm: Amith D'Silva: Problems bahut badh gayi hai
 
12/05/15 6:53:28 am: Ganesh Godse: Amit sir amount kuch ho nahi pa raha hai.. july me wo amount aayega to de dunga
 
12/05/15 10:40:28 am: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji aap problem nahi samaj rahe ho meri... Aap phone bhi nahi utha rahe ho naa phone kar rahe ho...
 
12/05/15 10:44:05 am: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji phone tou uthao
 
12/05/15 10:44:25 am: Amith D'Silva: Aisa nahi uthane se problem solve ho jaayenga lagta hai
 
12/05/15 10:44:41 am: Amith D'Silva: July tak nein intezaar bahi kar sakta
 
12/05/15 10:45:05 am: Amith D'Silva: I cannot wait till july
 
12/05/15 10:46:17 am: Amith D'Silva: Please keep your car an take the money or sell your property or lease it. Do anything now this is the height please understand. We are facing problems after problems
 
12/05/15 10:47:24 am: Amith D'Silva: For u it is easy to give dates  after dates yeah everything is coming on the head
 
12/05/15 2:38:37 pm: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji i have spoken to my friend and he explained to me on the builder's part as too what we can do too procure the loan. So call me  once u r free so i can explain.
 
12/05/15 11:04:55 pm: Amith D'Silva: When r u planning on meeting me
 
13/05/15 7:14:50 am: Ganesh Godse: Amit sir mera builder se baat nahi ho paya kal mai apana phone bhul gaya tha hotel me
 
13/05/15 7:15:11 am: Ganesh Godse: Mai aaj baat karake cl karata hu
 
13/05/15 10:17:50 am: Amith D'Silva: Ok. But before u speak to the builder call me cause i need to tell u wht the person told me
 
18/05/15 9:22:33 pm: Ganesh Godse: Wil cl u tomorrow evening
 
18/05/15 9:22:34 pm: Ganesh Godse: Wil cl u tomorrow evening
 
I had sent the above mentioned  chat of whatsapp to my Email as Back Up.
 
I do not have the chat from 18th May 2015 Till 05th July 2015 Cause my phone crashed.
 
5. Whatsapp Proof from 05th July 2015 (Part is in English and part is in Hindi).
 
05/07/15 19:49:23: Amith D'Silva: What is happening of the cash
 
05/07/15 19:49:39: Amith D'Silva: Y r u not answering the call
 
06/07/15 04:49:46: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji aap answer mat dou ab. Mujhse galti ho gayi ki maine aapko waqt bahut diya mujhe mera paise chukane ke liye
 
06/07/15 05:04:13: Amith D'Silva: I have tried calling u several times but of no use cause u never answer and u don't have the courtesy of even calling or even sending me a message. Not even me the people who have worked hard even when they all you. You never answer. As per your words you were suppose to give me a certain amount today the 6th of July 2015. But since u r neither answering the phone and neither calling back I assume you are not planning on giving me the amount. I am putting the cheque given by you on the 07th of July 2015. If it bounces I am putting a complain along with the documentation that is your pan card copy, ration card copy etc. along with the recordings and screenshots and mail copies. I will register a complain with the cops as well as put in the newspaper. I have waited and given you enough time but I am sorry to tell I did a mistake. So now it is high time to take an action against you. This is for your information. Thanks
 
06/07/15 05:06:48: Amith D'Silva: Please don't call me cause i am not interested in your jazz which you have been giving me from the past so many months. I have waited enough and even the poor people working for you have waited enough.
 
06/07/15 07:05:26: Ganesh Godse: Sir payment ka arrangement nahi hua 25 ko milega definitely.
 
06/07/15 07:10:46: Ganesh Godse: 25 ko mera payment aaye ga dusare ke bharose thoda problem hota hai aap to samaz sakate ho..
 
06/07/15 07:15:05: Ganesh Godse: Itana wait kiya hai aapane 25 tak wait karo please
 
06/07/15 07:15:41: Ganesh Godse: 100% ho jayega 25th ko
 
06/07/15 07:16:41: Ganesh Godse: Aapaka Phone uthake na bol nahi paa raha tha isaliye nahi uthaya.
 
06/07/15 07:17:15: Ganesh Godse: 25% nahi hua to jo aap chahe kar lijiye bas 25 tak time dijiye
 
06/07/15 07:17:47: Ganesh Godse: Sure ho jayega
 
16/07/15 18:20:58: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji kya ho raha hai phir se phone nahi utha rahe ho
 
16/07/15 18:21:54: Amith D'Silva: Abhi kya progress hai
 
16/07/15 18:23:01: Amith D'Silva: Please situation already out of control jaa chuka hai
 
16/07/15 18:24:57: Amith D'Silva: Need atleast 3 lakhs now on the 25th
 
16/07/15 18:25:13: Amith D'Silva: With 2 Lakhs nothing is going to happen
 
16/07/15 18:26:59: Amith D'Silva: The interest will also be levied on the total billing cause I have to also pay Interest.
 
16/07/15 18:32:41: Amith D'Silva: I will be putting the cheque as per 3 Lakhs - Bharti's Cheque - Reema's Cheque - Surendra's Cheque. Please also make arrangements of the remaining amount at the earliest. I will be putting the cheque on the 26th of July 2015. Please make a note and keep sufficient balance. I will not wait for another day also. 25th of July 2015 is d the last. You also know how much I have waited. It is a long time now.
 
16/07/15 18:33:02: Amith D'Silva: I am waiting for ur call
 
16/07/15 18:35:00: Ganesh Godse: Cl me
 
16/07/15 19:05:31: Amith D'Silva: Call kar raha hu tou utha nahi rahe ho
 
18/07/15 21:37:37: Amith D'Silva: Kya ho raha hai Ganeshji... Mujhe phone karo urgent hai...
 
19/07/15 00:02:09: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji aap phone pe baat nahi kar sakte tou message pe baat karo
 
19/07/15 00:02:37: Amith D'Silva: Mujhe batao 25 tarik ko kya amount de rahe ho
 
19/07/15 11:09:16: Amith D'Silva: Chalo thik hai matlab aapke taraf se koi jawab nahi aa raha hai
 
19/07/15 11:09:24: Amith D'Silva: Itne din se phone kar raha hu
 
19/07/15 11:09:31: Amith D'Silva: Messages bhej raha hu
 
19/07/15 11:09:44: Amith D'Silva: But there is no reply from your end
 
19/07/15 11:11:15: Amith D'Silva: I will not call you and disturb you that too for my money. I am tired of all the requesting part. Now I will put your cheque on Monday. Thanks.
 
19/07/15 11:13:25: Amith D'Silva: U r not understanding the problems I am facing. So be it.
 
19/07/15 11:38:44: Amith D'Silva: Kya hua Ganeshji
 
19/07/15 11:38:55: Amith D'Silva: Online ho par answer nahi de rahe ho
 
19/07/15 11:39:26: Ganesh Godse: Abhi tak payment hath me nahi hai to kya batau aapako
 
19/07/15 11:39:48: Ganesh Godse: 25 ko banda deta hu bola hai
 
19/07/15 11:40:00: Amith D'Silva: Idhar Interest pe maine paise uthaya hai.
 
19/07/15 11:40:11: Ganesh Godse: Jaise haath me aata hai cl kar dunga
 
19/07/15 11:40:16: Amith D'Silva: Matlab confirm nahi hai naa
 
19/07/15 11:40:30: Amith D'Silva: Call uthaya karo
 
19/07/15 11:40:42: Amith D'Silva: Phone saamne se kar nahi rahe ho
 
19/07/15 11:41:21: Amith D'Silva: Aaj tak maine hi phone kiya hai aapko
 
19/07/15 11:41:54: Amith D'Silva: Mujhe bhi malum hai 25 ko aapko paise milne waale hai
 
19/07/15 11:42:02: Amith D'Silva: Lekin baat tou karo
 
19/07/15 11:42:05: Ganesh Godse: Muze sabake cheque ke photo nikal ke bhejne bolo whatsapp pe
 
19/07/15 11:42:30: Ganesh Godse: Employees ke
 
19/07/15 11:43:04: Ganesh Godse: Kal tak bheja to bhi chalega
 
19/07/15 11:43:39: Amith D'Silva: Mein abhi kuch baat nahi karunga
 
19/07/15 11:44:01: Amith D'Silva: Woh sab ko salary chaiye
 
19/07/15 11:44:11: Ganesh Godse: Kisase? Employees se?
 
19/07/15 11:44:19: Amith D'Silva: Paise aane ke baad baat karunga
 
19/07/15 12:05:23: Amith D'Silva: a03b3b643ac621d502aac049623bd010.jpg <attached>
 
21/07/15 14:08:37: Amith D'Silva: Hi
 
21/07/15 14:08:47: Amith D'Silva: Did u speak to the builder
 
21/07/15 14:08:51: Amith D'Silva: Any news
 
21/07/15 14:09:05: Amith D'Silva: About the Cash
 
21/07/15 14:15:49: Amith D'Silva: Please do give me an update
 
22/07/15 08:29:04: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji 25th ka kya ho raha hai.. Baat hua builder se.
 
22/07/15 10:10:39: Ganesh Godse: Baat nahi hua abhi tak .. but send me ur account details. Mai Saturday ko ya Monday ko payment transfer kar dunga
 
22/07/15 14:08:36: Amith D'Silva: Ok. Here the light has gone once it comes will surely send you the account details. Thanks for releasing the pressure of my head.
 
23/07/15 17:30:08: Amith D'Silva: Bank Details 
Payee Name : Corona Borealis
Bank Account Number : 1062000100174301
Bank Name : Karnataka Bank
Branch : Bhayandar
City : Mumbai
MICR Code : 400052010
IFSC Code : KARB0000106
Branch Code : 000106
Address : Shop No. 12, Ostwal Ornate, Jesal Park, Bhayandar (E.) Thane - 401105
Swift Code : KARBINBBOSB
 
23/07/15 19:32:45: Ganesh Godse: Current hai ya saving?
 
23/07/15 19:33:50: Amith D'Silva: It is a Current A/c
 
24/07/15 15:46:04: Amith D'Silva: Please send me the address on which Arima App Store is registered
 
24/07/15 15:46:15: Amith D'Silva: For the Invoice Billing
 
24/07/15 20:37:43: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji kya hua
 
25/07/15 08:14:48: Amith D'Silva: Please give me an update
 
25/07/15 08:18:07: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji mujhe please batao ki kya ho raha hai. Kal se phone naa kar rahe ho naa uthao rahe ho. Kyu ghuma rahe ho.
 
25/07/15 08:32:12: Ganesh Godse: Mai bahar tha raat mai jaise somwar ko paise mil jayenge to aap ko send kar dunga
 
25/07/15 08:44:55: Amith D'Silva: Phone ko answer karo
 
25/07/15 08:45:21: Amith D'Silva: Maine aapko Agreement ka mail bheja hai
 
25/07/15 08:45:33: Amith D'Silva: Aaj mein sab Invoices bhejta hu
 
25/07/15 13:49:07: Amith D'Silva: Monday ki confirm kar dena please. Please Tuesday mat karo and secondly mujhe receipt bhej dou Transfer ka. So i can follow up withe the bank
 
25/07/15 13:49:35: Amith D'Silva: Monday Ko Confirm kar dena.
 
25/07/15 13:53:02: Amith D'Silva: If not on Tuesday we are putting the cheques. We cannot wait anymore. We are facing problems after problems. It is high tome you realise what we are going through. Each day is tough to remove.
 
25/07/15 13:53:13: Amith D'Silva: Please understand the problem
 
25/07/15 18:46:43: Amith D'Silva: Please check the mail sent by you on Jan 08 2015 at 12:13pm with the subject Sales Process sent by you where you have clearly mentioned $4/ Hr
 
26/07/15 23:52:09: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji please do it tomorrow
 
26/07/15 23:52:27: Amith D'Silva: Did u receive the cash
 
27/07/15 08:42:28: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji naa aap mera messages ka answer de rahe ho naa aap mera mails ka answer de rahe ho na aap phone ka answer de rahe ho
 
27/07/15 08:45:40: Amith D'Silva: That means you are playing around so now It is better for me to go ahead and put your cheques and lodge a complain on you and your company along with all your mails, documentation, messages. Cause u r just playing around. If you were genuine u would have answered the calls, messages and mails.
 
27/07/15 08:46:50: Amith D'Silva: I cannot wait anymore.
 
27/07/15 08:47:42: Amith D'Silva: I am tired of all the requesting. This is what we get for supporting you for 7 months.
 
27/07/15 08:51:55: Amith D'Silva: You were saying 25th of July 2015 ka date final hai. We waited. Ab kya 27th of July 2015 hai aaj ab tak nahi aaya cash. Kya vishwas rakho aapke upar. Aap mujhe bataye. Upar se aapne process kisi aur ko outsource kiya hai. Bewakoof samajte ho kya aap mujhe. Call Center Industry hai. Aaj forums mein aapka aur aapke Company ka naam dalunga sab proofs ke saath. Pareshan kar diya hai aapne. Ab sehan ke bahar ho gaya hai.
 
27/07/15 08:53:26: Amith D'Silva: Mujhe aapse koi lena dena nahi hai. Mera bill clear karo aur aap apne raaste aur mein aapne raaste. Aap mujhe majboor kar rahe ho yeh sab karne ke liye.
 
27/07/15 08:55:15: Amith D'Silva: Mujhe yeh message ka answer mat dou nahi tarik. 25th July 2015 aapka wada tha. 
 
27th July 2015 aapne waqt maanga woh aaj hai. Let's see.
 
27/07/15 08:59:19: Amith D'Silva: I told you several times please answer the phone even if you do not have the money. For what are you ashamed off not talking over the phone. I helped you put with the script, mails. This is what i get in return. This is the reason i never gave u a investor. Jab aap mera paisa de nahi paa rahe ho Investor ka kaha se chuka paonge. I will put this in the papers as well. Where you and your company's name is in jeopardy and you can believe that. Thanks
 
27/07/15 09:56:29: Amith D'Silva: Today is the final day please don't ask for tomorrow cause i cannot give you another day any more. I am facing problems because of you. Please understand my problem. It is the height now. After giving you time you do not full fill your promise.27/07/15 10:03:04: Amith D'Silva: FYI I will be putting all mails, Screenshots of Arima App Store, your Pan Card Copy with the Pan Number AOZPG4501R, election Card No. RMV1409549, Pritesh's Documents, Messages & Cheque Copies after they bounce.
 
27/07/15 10:10:08: Amith D'Silva: I helped you with your mails on Arima App Store, The Script of Arima Store and by giving you enough time for the payment. 7 months is a big time. How much longer can I also wait. I have to pay people as well. Why can't you understand my problem. I like to do business in a proper manner to build a long term relationship. I do not have anything against you or your company. I just want my hard work to be paid for.
 
27/07/15 10:13:25: Amith D'Silva: Even I never charged you for the days you kept the center closed. Ask any center the money is charged when the process is on hold. Now I feel I need to charge you for the Script, Mails and Days that you have told to hold the process Where my billing was on. Who will give so many benefits and what do I get in return no reply from your end and no reply on my payments.
 
27/07/15 10:21:41: Amith D'Silva: After I put all of this in the newspaper you only think No Investor will Invest in Arima App Store or you anymore. No Call Center will run your process. Problems aapko hoga mujhe nahi. Aapko joke lagta hai to thik hai lekin aaj ka last day hai kal mein cheque dal raha hu. And once the cheque bounces i will start all the other procedures. This is for your information.
 
27/07/15 11:14:17: Amith D'Silva: As per telephonic talks please send me the receipt of NEFT and  RTGS. Please do it by today an please answer my call.
 
27/07/15 12:01:01: Amith D'Silva: Has the transfer been done. What's happening
 
27/07/15 12:04:31: Amith D'Silva: I m calling and you are not answering the phone again. Drop a message.
 
27/07/15 12:19:08: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji please let me know only one thing is the transfer happening or not. Yes or No. I will not disturb you. I will continue with my procedure thereafter. Giving you time till 1 cause there after the banks are closed.
 
27/07/15 13:34:56: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji mere ghar pe aaye hai ladka cheque lene ke liye jisse maine paise liya tha.
 
27/07/15 13:36:58: Amith D'Silva: Call 10 minute mein karta hu bolte ho aur call karne pe kaat rahe ho. Dusre ka phone utha rahe ho mera number dekhte hi nahi utha rahe ho.
 
27/07/15 13:37:15: Amith D'Silva: Messages padh ke anjaan ban rahe ho
 
27/07/15 14:39:09: Amith D'Silva: I am putting the Cheque of the full amount tomorrow in d morning and have informed the same to the agents thereafter once your cheque bounces will lodge a complain against you and your Company Arima App Store with all the written proofs. Along with the FIR Copy will put it in the papers.
 
27/07/15 19:11:18: Amith D'Silva: I have tried reaching you several times and you do not have the courtesy of calling or neither answering the phone. You think this is all a joke. But you do not know what We are going through.
 
27/07/15 20:19:12: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji i don't think u r even bothered about your Company Arima App Store otherwise you would have paid the part payment today as promised by you and as you said in your message that after the 
27th of July 2015 to go ahead in lodging a complaint. I am doing the same. So tomorrow We are putting the cheques and if it bounces will drag you to court. Now no need of your messages and calls cause we have given you ample time to full fill your commitment.
 
27/07/15 20:20:00: Amith D'Silva: Where you have played a fool with our trust.
 
28/07/15 11:53:53: Amith D'Silva: I have made the post and will post it on Linked In, Facebook, Twitter and everywhere informing of the Fraud you have done. I do not like doing this but since you are not giving my money. I have to do this and make sure no 1 else falls trap to you or Arima App Store.
 
There are more verbal talks and now Ganesh Godse - +91-9833-168-987 has ran away to Dhanakwadi, Pune, Maharashtra, India. 

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Ganesh Dhananjay Godse:

Ganesh Dhananjay Godse

Pritesh Pradeep Saitwal:

Pritesh Pradeep Saitwal

 

Pritesh Pradeep Saitwal - PAN card

Godase Ganesh Dhananjay - PAN card

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