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Call center owners go quality instead of quantity
by Rudolf Faix Monday, February 16, 2015 3:52 AM

I know it is hard to bring quality if the broker or the customer thinks that everything is free and they need only pay for sales and not for the work, which is behind the sale and are even thinking that you need to take all the risk. The highest risk is their own product, which they are not able to sell by using a normal way like in a shop. Reject such offers like I have described it in “A LinkedIn offer where the broker likes to reinvent the slavery - David Goodstein”. The result of taking such an offer will be that you are destroying your own reputation. 

A good sale needs time. You are expecting a good quality work from your agents. Why are you making it hard for your agents by using such dialer where the called person hears a prerecorded message while you are connecting to your agents? 

If the caller gets it, that he is listening to a tape, he knows already that you nothing else than a Call Center. The sound of a recording is different than the greeting of from the agent even if the recording is from the same agent, which shall pick up the phone. That is not a technical issue it is depending from the stress and mood of the agent, which changes the sound of his voice during the shift. 

Use another system than such a dialer like described before. Your agents are not robots. Let the agent decide his own workflow and working speed. This will reduce the amount of called people over the phone per hour, but will increase the sales rate. Use a system like “Click to Dial” or “Code to Dial”. This can be simple done by your internal website with a button like “next caller” or by dial a code at the phone. In such a case the phone of the agent rings first and the VoIP System will dial the next caller in the list. Sure the agent need to wait until you reach someone, but the agent is already in the line and the called one does not hear a prerecorded message.

Let your customer provide the data of the people which you should call. Your customer knows better the target group of his product. For this he can make a better selection by using an address broker. Good address brokers in the US are trading their addresses only if you are using an IP-address from the US or you have a postal address in the US. The data, which get traded here from one center to other centers, are useless, because they got already used too many times. Good data are expensive, but your customer likes to sell his product. If your future customer does not like to provide data, than he is too greedy in any case and his product is from a very low value too. Such products don’t get sold good. In such a case you should take only the contract if he is paying per agent, hour, phone minutes, data and the necessary clean up against the “Do not call list”.

Make your own fair contracts and conditions for which you are working. These contracts, which I have seen until now from the brokers and customers don’t have even the value of the paper on which they will get printed. You have only duties and no rights in these contracts, which I have seen until now. They are only for ripping you off. If one point of your contract does not fit for your customer, than this point can get negotiated, but don’t let get yourself ripped off.

 

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Call Center Quality Guidelines

A LinkedIn offer where the broker likes to reinvent the slavery - David Goodstein
by Rudolf Faix Sunday, February 15, 2015 7:17 AM

David Goodstein is searching for a call center at LinkedIn, where he can pull money, the call center has the risk and the work. The difference to the other scams is only, that the offer is very well described including the cheat (I have only picked out the most important parts):

  • "The only thing the customer is responsible for is the monthly monitoring fee. The fee ranges in price between $39 and $60 a month"
    Sorry, who likes the monitoring? In a normal world is it this one, who asks for the monitoring need to pay for it. In this case is it the client, for whom is done the work!

  • "You are responsible for your VOIP minutes"
    Your client is not able to pay the phone bill for the calls to the United States, which are normally traded at www.voicetrading.com for US$ 0.0052 and at www.voicebuy.com between US$ 0.0045 and US$ 0.0075 per minute. This is already too expensive for his customer. How would his customer pay the bill in this case for the call center?
    Sorry Mr. Goodstein, but you like to have a gift? Which gift gets the call center? At this world is nothing for free.

  • "Initially (first 2 weeks) your commission is based off of completed installations only and not on a transfer basis (payout is $150 per installation)."
    Mr. Goodstein, do you really think that someone can survive with $150 for 2 weeks even in a low wage country? Do you really think that you can get someone, which takes the risk of your business for you? I think that nobody will be so stupid and accept such an offer.

  • "We require you to use our Non - Voice Avatar like technology."
    Wow Mr. Goodstein, you like to make a test drive with your Avatar? In such a case you have to pay the agents per hour and not per lead! How the agent will be able to handle difficult and angry people? Mr. Goodstein do you have even recordings for this kind of people? How long is your list of recordings? Should the agent listen to the customer or permanently search for the correct recordings in the list?

  • "After the 2 week trial basis, if we see your team is capable of sending quality transfers on a consistent basis, we will pay you $6 per transfer, with a 60 second buffer)"
    We have seen already that you are not searching for quality. But even $6 is too less, if you accept only 59% of the transfer, like you have sent it in the Excel file, which is attached here. In this case the $6 is only $3.54. Mr. Goodstein, we all know that the US south states lost the war for the slavery. Do you like to reinvent the slavery again?

 

 
The agreement 1a Transfer Agreement - $6 per Transfer  60 second Buffer 01 26 20015:
  • "Except in the case of a predetermined lunch break, force majeure and or technical difficulties outside of the centers control, 80% of ALL logged agents MUST remain dialing during regular business hours with NO EXCEPTIONS. This includes scheduled breaks where no more than 20% of ALL agents may be on break at any given time. Failure to comply with this will result in a financial penalty of 20% of the daily average Billable Leads Generated by the center for EACH day such an infraction occurs."
    Mr. Goodstein: As your offer pays per lead, then you cannot make a penalty for working time or something else. In such a case you have to pay per hour!! What you try is nothing more than a big cheat!!!

  • "Company bears full responsibility for compliance with all state and federal laws regarding the content of their messages(s). Company certifies messages(s) used will be in compliance with 47 U.S.C § 227 or certifies exemption from its requirements."
    Mr. Goodstein: If you not print out this §, then is it invalid in any international agreement. You need to take care, that the "Company" gets informed about this rule. You can use this rule inside the US, but not in international contracts.

  • "Company agrees to pay all reasonable collection and/or attorney’s fees associated with part any investigation or compliant regarding Company’s use of the Service and proprietary technology."
    Mr. Goodstein: You try to give all fees in case of trial to your contractor before judgement day. That is really a nice try, but this is already invalid in international business. A nice try, but you will not be able to use it.

  • "TMI COMMUNICATIONS shall be held harmless in the event calls cannot be affected for any reason. Service and proprietary technology is provided on an “as is” and “as available” basis. Due to the nature of our products/services we do not allow refunds or cancellations. All Subscription Services are non refundable and on a month to month basis and are prepay only."
    Mr. Goodstein if you sell a service, which has to use a special technology, then you are responsible for this technology. If this technology is not working, then the customer or the call center has to get an refund. You are only try to cheat everybody!!!

  • "TMI COMMUNICATIONS reserves the right to cancel any scheduled campaign anytime"
    Mr. Goodstein: If you cancel a scheduled campaign, than you have compensate your contractor for this canceling

  • The signature
    Even the signature is invalid, because it use a script font instead of a hand written signature. That is your next try to cheat. Maybe you don't have any business education, but in international business have the documents to get signed in front of a notary and need to get legalized in each country.
All the other documents seems to got written by an amateur and not by using the help of an attorney. As they even don't like to pay for the phone minutes, it can be that a consultancy fee of an attorney has been to expensive too.
 
The agreement 4b - Agreement - Lead Generation - Avatar
  • Point 8 - Competitors Clause
    This clause is invalid as long as you not pay for the time, in your case 3 years, a compensation to your contractor

  • Point 10 - Contract is valid by transmitting it scanned, emailed, faxed etc
    Sorry but nobody is able to replace international law by any agreement. The agreement cannot get executed in this case. 

  • Point 11 - Don't call list, etc
    If TMI Communications is providing dialer and data, then TMI Communications is responsible for this rules. The "company" has no influence to the dialed number,because the leads are getting provided to them. The avatar system is already breaking the rule of TCPA about prerecorded messages. So the crime starts already at TMI Communications and the "company" should be responsible for this criminal act.

 

As Mr. Goodstein did even not sign it in a proper way all the documents have less value then the paper on it will get printed.

The LinkedIn offer from David Goodstein:

Home Security Lead Generation Campaign Available - Dialer, Avatar & Leads Provided for Free Auswahl des Managers

 

David Goodstein

Home Security Live Transfers, with 60 second buffers

Home security Campaign Available– We have 12 different installation groups that we are Master dealers for. They each have their own unique footprint to do installations in. When you combine all the footprints, we are in 44 states, covering over 40,000 zip codes or roughly 90% of the U.S. population. We offer the customer free equipment, free installation and wave out activation fee. The only thing the customer is responsible for is the monthly monitoring fee. The fee ranges in price between $39 and $60 a month. You would be doing lead generation; finding customers that have interest, cooperation are the home owners (not renters) and are not under contract with another security company. 

 

You will live transfer those calls to our closing agents. We will provide you with the dialer, avatar and leads for free. You are responsible for your VOIP minutes. 

 

Minimum 25 agents 

 

Initially (first 2 weeks) your commission is based off of completed installations only and not on a transfer basis (payout is $150 per installation). After the 2 week trial basis, if we see your team is capable of sending quality transfers on a consistent basis, we will pay you $6 per transfer, with a 60 second buffer) We require you to use our Non – Voice Avatar like technology. – Please go to tmicomm.com and review the demo video. 

 

David Goodstein 

TMIComm LLC 

(561) 574 - 4715 

dsgdsg77@gmail.com 

http://tmicomm.com/ 

SKYPE: davidgoodstein 

tmicomm.com tmicomm.com 

 

tmicomm.com

 

0- Cubicall Transfer Report - Week Ending 2 5 15.xlsx (45.24 kb)

1a Transfer Agreement - $6 per Transfer 60 second Buffer 01 26 20015.pdf (206.39 kb)

4b - Agreement - Lead Generation - Avatar.pdf (225.18 kb)

 

 

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Call Center Slavery Offers

Fraud warning sites
by Rudolf Faix Friday, February 13, 2015 6:44 AM

As I working every time transparent and don't hide any information, I have made a link collection of anti fraud information systems for your comfort. There you can find descriptions about the actual published scams. In any case you have to use your brain for not getting scammed. Everything, which sounds too good to be true is normally only a scam.

Internet Crime Fighters Organization
Internet Crime Fighters Organization Internet Crime Fighters Organization - Harnessing the Power of Internet Connectivity to Combat Internet Crime; Security Threats, Scams, Fraud

SCAMwatch
A scam warning site from the Australian Government

Scam shield
Scam Shield is a non-profit organization protecting citizens from scams and fraud schemes with advocacy and knowledge. Volunteers provide the fraud victims with helpful information and assistance.

ScamXposer
ScamXposer | Make Money Online Business and Income Opportunity Scams & Reviews

scam.com
Message board for posting various scams. Powered by VBulletin. Don't get scammed at scam.com

WOT - Web Of Trust
WOT is a free website reputation, rating and review tool that helps find trustworthy websites and protects against online scams, untrustworthy links, and unreliable web stores. Free add-on for Firefox, IE, Chrome, Opera and Safari browsers.

HOAX-SLAYER
Stay informed about the latest email hoaxes and scams by subscribing to the Hoax-Slayer Newsletter.

FBI
Federal Bureau of Investigation - Internet Fraud

Avoid getting scammed - make a background check
Description of free tools helping to identify scammer.

VOIP Fraud List
News | Voip Fraud LIST recommended by Nata Ellis (nata@speedflow.com)

A list of proved scammer can get found in the menu entry Scammer Exposed.

Offers from trusted and validated brokers can get found in the menu entry Fair Campaign Offers.

 

 

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Defense

The Business Advisor Kaushik Ganguly, with "16 years experience", does not know for whom he is working
by Rudolf Faix Friday, February 13, 2015 1:23 AM

In the night I got a LinkedIn message from Kaushik Ganguly, Business Advisor and Management Consultant for ITES - Call Center industry with 16 years experience A part of this email is:

"what if center fails to perform? what if center fails to retain campaign? what if center do not work seriously? what if center do not have financial strength to run center? what if center close down for other reasons? AND most importantly ... what if center choose not to pay consultant/broker after getting payment from client?? Those all happened in real life with many people

If center talks about giving monthly payment to consultant ... why they can't pay the way they pay to Chartered Accountant, VOIP provider, Dialer company, Lead provider and many others? Why always they make a big issue of paying to consultant ... when they know getting a good profitable campaign is 500% more important then getting audit, voip, dialer or leads!! "

It seems that this "Business Advisor" does not know for whom he is working and who is paying the bill! He did not learn in "16 years" of experience how business is done. That is the same way like you pay for an attorney to bring you into jail.

If he get's paid from the outsourcing company, then he is in need to verify the center to which he suggest to outsource. This cannot only be done by verifying the business register and the credit-worthiness of the center. That has nothing to do with any upfront fee or any other similar fee, however it would get called. As soon as he takes from the chosen center some money he is running into a conflict of his and his customers interest.

If he get's paid from the center, which takes the outsourcing contract, then he is responsible for the credit-worthiness of the outsourcing company and that this company is a real company. Here he has to do the same inspections and researches about the outsourcing company.

If his client, there is no difference if his client is the outsourcing company or the center which is doing the outsourced work, is a fake, he is in a very bad situation, because he is liable to his client and has to compensate his clients damage, because it his fault if he did his research not in full. In this case the "broker" or however he likes to get called, has to show his identity too. Hiding themselves in the anonymity of the internet show only that the is not real and nobody shall do any business with him. Everybody should know that you cannot reach into pocket of a naked one.

What he has written is true, but the word "center" need to get replaced with the phrase "all participating parties".

In any case his explanations are showing only that he is promoting not existing services or campaigns to get new centers, because he stated in his email that he is starting his work for a center not before he gets the order. This is called betraying and is a criminal action, which will get prosecuted.

Even his company iNanoSoft Outsourcing has no domain. The only result found in Googles history is iNanoSoft.de. It has be a software company from Germany, which is already closed.

The LinkedIn Mail communication:

RE:The “genuine campaigns” from the brokers

Kaushik Ganguly Business Advisor and Management Consultant for ITES - Call Center industry with 16 years experience

 

12. Februar 2015, 17:10 Uhr

 

Sie und Kaushik Ganguly sind beide in einem Netzwerk oder einer Gruppe.

There are many misunderstanding and misconceptions around about call center business development ... as well as too much hypocrisy and foolishness. Let's analyse one by one - 

1) someone is making a call center ... without knowledge and experience about this industry? If they have experience ... then why they can't arrange business on their own? If they don't have experience ... then how they expect to get on their terms? 

2) It is demand and supply. If getting business is very easy ... no one will ask for a penny! If very tough ... you have to pay to get. It again depends on center's profile ... if they are big ... all will come to them ... if small center ... they have to try a lot and experiment 

3) People talking about consultant's role should not end with client SLA. Fine, then give him a proper role. Make him your advisor! Don't expect that you will treat someone as broker and he will give A-Z service ... don't demand like a kid! 

4) People expect that consultant (or broker ... whatever you call them) should give a direct client, give unlimited support and should not ask for money ... till center makes money!! Great .... but few questions ... what if center fails to perform? what if center fails to retain campaign? what if center do not work seriously? what if center do not have financial strength to run center? what if center close down for other reasons? AND most importantly ... what if center choose not to pay consultant/ broker after getting payment from client?? Those all happened in real life with many people 

5) If center talks about giving monthly payment to consultant ... why they can't pay the way they pay to Chartered Accountant, VOIP provider, Dialer company, Lead provider and many others? Why always they make a big issue of paying to consultant ... when they know getting a good profitable campaign is 500% more important then getting audit, voip, dialer or leads!! 

Only solution is to build a long term relationship between genuine center and genuine consultant ... based on mutual trust and confidence. Else one can go on bashing consultants/ brokers and end up being cry baby with no progress at all

 

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