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The Marketing Source - Robbie Middleton - sent a bad joke instead of a proof
by Rudolf Faix Monday, September 7, 2015 1:57 AM

In each of the articles about the Caribbean Cruise Line (CCL) – Virtual Voice Technology (VVT) is getting found that the center is guilty by themselves if they are accepting the conditions from The Marketing Source. Business is a risk and not a sandpit where nothing can happen. Even in the email from Robbie Middleton is stated gets found that this campaign “is a VERY tough campaign with tight margins”.

The campaign gets offered as none voice campaign where the agent does not need to speak. That is nothing else than a misleading promotion, because if we take a look at the article “FTC Statement Virtual Voice Technology - CallAssistant, L.C. - submitted by The Marketing Source - Vance Vogel” then we can read that the agent is free in his choice to speak or playing prerecorded messages. The background of the FTC-rule is that it has to be a life agent to be available that the live agent has to speak with the called one if a recording is not available for answering a specific question. It will be seldom happen, but it can happen.

The statement that only Lars is offering the CCL campaign is not correct. Robbie Middleton has simple forgotten that he is offering the campaign at BPO Friends by himself too. Everybody can be sure that other companies have voice systems too, which are conform to the FTC rules.  TMS is not the only company, which has access to such a system. It is only used as an argument for their rip-off. US$ 200/week system costs + VoIP (up to $ 275) for 12 seats (24 connections) are nothing else than profiteering.

We have built for an Austrian satellite TV broadcaster a similar system with click to dial, manual selection of prerecordings and a few more features like play and win, live quiz, dating, shopping, etc. in a multi-language system (German, English, French, Spanish, Polnish), for € 1,450 (~US$ 1,615) including server hardware. This system has assigned 2,200 phone numbers, on this system are working 250 agents and a few full automated services like every 50th caller goes live into the studio, each 100th caller is winning a price, etc. at the same time.

It is not forbidden to make a bad deal. Everybody, who accepting a bad deal, is guilty by himself if he lose money in such a case. It is only from a company expected to recognize a good and a bad deal. If a company defends such a bad deal then such a company is in my opinion very suspect and there seems to be a reason why they are defending such a bad deal. Mostly is the reason that they are earning by themselves.

The construction of the included proof from the email shows more that it is a fake instead of a proof.  I think that CCL and TMS have enough experience in front of the law court collected to know how a proof has to look like. In this case the proof consists of pictures (one company header, and one picture for each “invoice” line), which seems to be from different sources. Such a construction is nowhere accepted as a proof for anything. All necessary parts for an official invoice are missing. It seems even to be a secret to whom the invoice got sent.

In a fair and transparent business is it usage that as soon as a customer likes to use his own or rented systems has the customer to pay the bill for it. How the customer makes his calculation in this case is the problem of the customer and not the problem of the service provider. Already the promotion of the campaign is misleading because there is written “The base rate is $ 2.25 per transfer with additional performance incentives based on quality” (BPO Friends - Robbie Middleton, .pdf (187.38 kb)). In such a case the rate cannot be lower than $ 2.25 for the >60 seconds transfer, but if we take a look at the document VVT CPD Explanation.docx (17.84 kb) we see that the base rate can be lower too.

The email from Robbie Middleton in reaction to my article "Slavery offer: CCL VVT none Voice or Semi-Voice campaign - The Marketing Source - Vance Vogel":

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Robbie Middleton <rmiddleton@themarketingsource.com> wrote:

Rudolph,

What your source neglected to tell you is that there is a list of requirements VVT sends centers at the time of campaign implementation and VVT makes NO claims that this is an easy campaign at any time.  VVT does not even recruit centers at all.  Every center VVt have has either approached VVT via word of mouth or through Lars.  Lars is the ONLY approved broker for the VVT campaign.  VVT actually tell the centers that this is a VERY tough campaign with tight margins and very clearly state all charges.  99% of all center that fail, do so because they do not follow our guidelines.  It is absolutely, positively cheaper and easier to dial using the centers own VOIP and dialer, unfortunately this is ILLEGAL per the TCPA laws as well as infractions of the Telemarketing Sales Rule that would undoubtedly occur if the call centers were not regulated.    TMS and/or VVT receives no profit Login and VOIP charges.  I have copied the most recent invoice for logins associated with 4 centers Lars has referred and feel free to confirm the same with the company that invoices us as well as Lars.  This is the actual amount deducted from the centers commissions and not a penny more.  You can see that VVT IS CHARGED $10/login.  VVT pre-pays this expense on behalf of the centers so they do not have any up-front expense of their own.  VVT provides Leads, VOIP and Logins so they can LAUNCH without investing ANY of their own money.    VVT then deducts this Login and VOIP expense from the centers earned commissions.  There is no charge for leads.  We disperse the amount VVT loads each for VOIP each week evenly amongst all centers based on their percentage of total logins.  We do not profit from this expense either.  Regarding “CPD” and what your source failed to tell you is that VVT is paid by the cruise line on a CPD (Cost Per Deal) basis.  Each centers quality is tracked separately and a quantitative measure of quality is attached to their transfers in terms of “CPD”.  We cannot let centers send calls “at will” with no concern for quality as many of them (even with the CPD +/- structure in place) send calls with no customer on the line, transfer answering machines, transfer customers that requested DNC, etc….. I will send you the complete VVT launch e-mail just as I would a prospective center so you can see the truth.  The fact that VVT must implement so many rules and guidelines is indeed most unfortunate, but don’t let your source fool you into thinking we are “screwing” them.  Rules and guidelines are in place to adhere to all applicable laws and to protect VVT from unethical centers.  We have centers that have been doing the campaign for more than 3 years now and while it isn’t easy, it CAN be profitable when guidelines are adhered to. 

The above email had the following five pictures included as shown belown: 

Invoice header of SunBridge Systems
One line of the invoice from Sunbridge Systems
Another line of the invoice from Sunbridge Systems
Another line of the invoice from Sunbridge Systems
Another line of the invoice from Sunbridge Systems

The invoice header seems to be a fake because I did not find until now one IT company frome the U.S.

  • where the office phone number is hidden for privacy reasons from the public phone directory

  • where the office phone number is assigned to Google voice

  • where tel2name.com gives the result: 727-753-9323 - Deane Arteaga Wisteria Cir New Port Richey, Florida instead of Sun Bridge Systems LLC.

  • which writes their own domain name in the heaer of the invoice wrong
    (subbridgesystems.com instead of sunbridgesystems.com)

  • which needs to hide the ownership of their domain behind a privacy service

  • which makes since 2 years and 5 months promotions at her homepage for their registrar Godaddy

  • which has since 2 years and 5 months a homepage with the amazing content
    Screenshot from the homepage of sunbridgesystems.com

  • Buzzfile.com says about SUN BRIDGE SYSTEMS LLC:
    Sun Bridge Systems is located in Oldsmar, Florida. This organization primarily operates in the Business Services, nec business / industry within the Business Services sector. This organization has been operating for approximately 2 years. Sun Bridge Systems is estimated to generate $ 49,000 in annual revenues, and employs approximately 1 people at this single location.

SUN BRIDGE SYSTEMS, LLC is really a company and is listed at Floridas Department of State Division of Corporations (.pdf (119.20 kb)). The company got founded on March 11, 2013 at 5520 Rio Vista Dr., Clearwater, FL. 33760 (Link, .pdf (43.19 kb)) and relocated on April 1, 2014 to 518 Lakewood Dr., Oldsmar, FL 34677 (Link, .pdf (3.30 kb)).

Interesting is that LookUpBear (.pdf (118.69 kb)) tell us that the company SUN BRIDGE SYSTEMS, LLC is listed "under the heading Construction/Contractors which includes businesses that may offer home improvement construction, home construction, roofers, manufacturing of building materials". I know that we all would search for a telcommunications company in exactly this category!

Screenshot from the entry Sun Bridge Systems, LLC from LookUpBear

Update Jan. 18, 2017: Link to http://bpofriends.com/profiles/blogs/vvt-free-cruise-non-voice-process removed as it already returns error 404 - not found.

Slavery offer: CCL VVT none Voice or Semi-Voice campaign - The Marketing Source
by Rudolf Faix Thursday, September 3, 2015 9:38 AM

This campaign offer is not a scam, but in summary is it even worse than a SCAM because the client likes even to earn from the call center. But the centers are guilty by themselves, if they are accepting the conditions in the contract. Each business owner need to know what he is doing and he is responsible for his own decision.

The client is Caribbean Cruise Line, Inc. located at 2419 E Commercial Blvd Ste 100, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33308-4042, website http://www.bahamascruiseregistration.com. By taking a look at the website of the U.S. Better Business Bureau (BBB) then we’ll find about the Caribbean Cruise Line, Inc. that there have been during the last 3 years 1,253 complaints closed with the BBB from which have been 335 during the last 12 months. Already this shows which kind of business this company is running and how they are handling their customers. You’ll find at the site a government action too, which you can find in my article “FTC and ten state attorneys general take action against political survey robocallers pitching cruise line vacations to the Bahamas”.

Responsible for this campaign is The Marketing Source, Inc. located in 12551 Indian Rocks Rd. Suite 2, Largo., FL 33774 with owner Vance Vogel. A Robbie Middleton is promoting this campaign and makes the billing for this campaign. I don’t know if the conditions for this campaign got invented from the Caribbean Cruise Line, Inc. or from The Marketing Source, Inc. It does not really matter, but these conditions are a simple rip-off for the call centers which are working for them:

  • The center is requited to use their CallAssistant System. The center has to pay $10 per week and per connection. The center is required to have at least 10 agents where each agent needs to handle 2 connections at the same time.
    That does not sound very much, but it is at least $200 per week and the center does not really get something for it. My opinion is that profiteering because the phone system itself has a value of around $500 - $600 and the CallAssistant system can only get used for the CCL campaign. This one which likes that this system has to get used has to pay for it. The call center has no benefit from it.

  • CPD (Cost Per Deal) factor (see the Word document VVT CPD Explanation.docx (17.84 kb))
    The CPD reduces or increases the payout for the successful transfer. Already the name proves the cheat. The client does not have any costs per deal as the center gets billed for usage of their systems and for the VoIP minutes. Whether Caribbean Cruise Lines neither The Marketing Source is able to give an explanation for these costs per deal. With other words they like to make money from the call center.

    The costs per deal are even getting increased (lower payout for the center) for the following conditions:
    • Transferring a call where no customer was on the line
      Each cold called customer will hang up if he needs to wait too long for a transfer. In this case is not the call center which is transferring the call guilty

    • Transferring a call where the customer was not interested
      That depends on the mood of the agent which is picking up the line during the life transfer too and cannot get controlled from the sending center.

    • Transferring a call where the customer did not have a credit or debit card
      If the agent which picks up the line is not friendly or says the wrong words, I'll say that I have no credit cards too even if I have said before that I have one. Such a case can get proved by listening the recordings of the sending center only.

    • Transferring a call where mandatory recordings were not played
      If the CallAssistant system is good instead of quick and dirty programmed, then the transfer would not be possible if the mandatory recordings were not played.

    I have seen by myself that additional to the above rules is the transfer counter working wrong. It are getting 40% more transfers counted as really happened and it are getting calls transferred without any action of the agent. All this failures seems to have the only purpose to minimize the payout of the call center.

  • The center is to required to buy VoIP from them
    Together with the other facts is this behaviour strange, because this one, which pays for it has to be able to chose the provider to buy from. As The Marketing Source Inc. and/or the Caribbean Cruise Lines Inc. are showing at the points above that they even try to earn by profiteering from the call centers are even here only end user prices billed and not reseller prices.

By taking a look at the website of Caribbean Cruise Line Inc. (http://www.bahamascruiseregistration.com/) we see that their business model is not a trusted one and in not conform with any fair trading standards. At Google are getting a lot more complaints about the Caribbean Cruise Line Inc. found. I list here only a few. At Cruise Critic we can find that the passengers have to participate at a five hours timeshare presentation. At CBS news you can read how their customer get handled and your lead destroyed at the call center you’ll transfer the customer. Some of their methods are getting described at the Rip-Off Report, Complaints Board and Jim Walker’s Cruise Law News. Even at the customer reviews of the U.S. Better Business Bureau are 75% reporting a negative experience, 66.67% will not recommend and 33.33% are undecided in recommending this company.

You see how the Caribbean Cruise Lines Inc. is handling their customers. Think about it how you will get handled from them as their supplier! A result can be looking like the following weekly billings sent out from The Marketing Source – Robbie Middleton:

Screenshot about payments to the call center of Krishna Varma

Everybody which is working with such a company like Caribbean Cruise Lines Inc. need not wondering himself if the shit from them is coloring themselves too! A business which has during the last 3 years in average 1.15 complaints to get handled per day from the U.S. Better Business Bureau is fighting for the last cent until a government institution will force them to pay. A serious business will avoid to get listed in such a way at the U.S. Better Business Bureau.

Brokers are getting paid from their client to find call centers doing their campaigns and for this the broker are not asking if the center can make profit or not. Scammers like Omer Ali - Oceanspace Innovative service pvt Ltd are offering this campaign against an up-front fee of 2 Lakhs (INR 200,000 ~ US$ 3,014). You can now calculate yourself that in the case you get the campaign from the scammer and you make some little earnings with this campaign that you'll need years for getting your up-front fees back.

Domain registration data from themarketingsource.com:

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Update September 5, 2015: Vance Vogel from The Marketing Source sent a statement from the FTC under which conditions prerecorded messages are allowed to getting played. This statement can get found in the article "FTC Statement Virtual Voice Technology - CallAssistant, L.C. - submitted by The Marketing Source - Vance Vogel"

Update September 7, 2015: Robbie Middleton from The Marketing Source sent a statement. This statement can get found in the article "The Marketing Source - Robbie Middleton - sent a bad joke instead of a proof"

 

A Scammer likes to reinvent the Slavery: Samad Gour - CEO at CS Live Solution Pvt.Ltd
by Rudolf Faix Tuesday, April 28, 2015 6:10 AM

Samad GourSamad GourAt LinkedIn Pulse appeared yesterday a posting from Samad Gour with an offer that sounds really unbelievable – but from the negative sites view. Samad  Gour posted the following offer, which got found on Facebook in the groups BPO PROJECTS WITHOUT ANY CHARGES, www.helloshopping.in (India’s First Online Mall) and USA – CANADA Business Development Group:

 

The posting from LinkedIn Pulse:

Hi, USA Non-Voice Call Reviews Campaign Earning 30,000 Approx/month

Hi,
USA Non-Voice Call Reviews Campaign Earning 30,000 Approx/month

Please find the below Job Descriptions.

WORK DESCRIPTION:
The Client Portal has Inbound Recorded Calls & Outbound Recorded Calls, Here Agents need to Login and Listen to the Calls and Need to Answer that Either call has Connected to Employee or Call is not Connected or Call Connected to Voice Mail etc., Agent just need to Tick mark on the Options provided. But Agent need to listen to the call carefully and need to mark correct option. For wrong answer there is penalty of -0.01$. So, you get paid for only correct answer marked by the agent.

TIMINGS:
6:00 PM to 6:00 AM [IST]

PAYOUT:
0.012$ for Inbound and 0.008$ for outbound call review

EARNINGS CALCULATIONS:
Here agent can do 2 calls in 1 minute,
12 Hours x 2 calls / Minute x 60 Minutes = 1440 calls one agent can do
1440 x 0.012 = 17.28$ (Approx.) / Day / Agent.

Here one agent can earn 17.28$ x 25 days = 432$ / Month / Agent.

BILLING CYCLE: DAILY

PAYMENT MODE: Paypal

Registration Charges : for one ID it's 10,000 Rs but if you are serious enough to go for work ..We can negotiate depending on numbers of seat but not on 5 seats.

This is really unique process where in pay out will come in your account from clients account. It will be daily payout by default in your PayPal account and then you can withdraw from your bank account. No mediator will involve in this pay out ..at all. You will see flow of dollar after every call you will listen. This process can be run in 24×7 shift and for trail purpose you can go for one seat also.

In attachment you will find one video clip of how we can do this work and how you can see dollar after every call.

PLEASE NOTE : THE EARNINGS CALCULATIONS WHICH IS GIVE HERE IS FOR MINIMUM ACTUAL EARNINGS. AS YOU WILL HAVE MORE PRACTICE OF WORK YOU WILL GET MORE CHANCE AND POTENTIAL OF EARNINGS AND IT PURELY DEPENDS NOT ON WORK BUT SMART WORK.

call -8750051552 (if interested only)

This offer is only a SCAM, because he asks for an upfront in form of Registration Charges : for one ID it's 10,000 Rs. With this offer the scammer confirms, that he has no contract with the client. If he has a contract with the client, then the client will pay him and he has to search for the best center for the client and not for one, which pays him.

The scammer Samad Gour is even not able to read the caption of the group where he posted: BPO PROJECTS WITHOUT ANY CHARGES

The offer is  an SLAVERY offer because:

 

  • Even in India are 12 hours working time for an agent illegal
  • If you take the offered US$ 432 and substract the pro rata costs for the office rent, the amortization value of the investments into the center, electricity and Internet connection then you'll have to divide the remaining money for two agents, because you have to keep yourself conform to the employment law. For this the provided calculation of the scammer is irrational and from this money nobody is able to survive even in India.
  • Additional you have to keep yourself conform to the rules of the US FTC (US Federal Trade Commission warning: ROBOCALLS)
  • The promoted earnings are the maximum earnings when we add the time how long someone needs to pick up the phone are per call 15 - 20 seconds gone before a human or an answering machine picks up. To get it if there is a human or an answering machine answering you have to be online at the time of picking up the phone.

 

The scammer Samad Gour has even made a mistake by inventing this campaign. The fixed working time from IST 6:00pm until 6:00am is during the time at the US East Coast from 08:30am until US West Coast 05:30pm. At 05:30pm is rush hour and you will reach mostly answering machines. For this even the working time does not make any sense. Maybe his education exists only in his profile or he has been missing all geography lessons.

The scammer Samad Gour is proving with this offer, that he has no idea about the local law of employment in his country and that he has no idea how call center work is functioning. He thinks that call center agents are robots, which are able to work without any break.

It seems that a scammer needs to make urgently some money. For this he likes to make money from centers. That he shows with the upfront and the fines. 

Facebook Profile of Samad Gour - pdf (1.87 mb)

LinkedIn Profile of Samad Gour - pdf (3.38 mb)

Facebook offer Samad Gour.pdf (492.90 kb)

 

Slavery offer: Virtual Voice Technologies (VVT) Cruise campaign
by Rudolf Faix Sunday, March 22, 2015 6:04 AM

Recently I got again a real slavery offer. As the company, which is offering it does not expect to pay something to the center they have even forgotten to add any earnings in their offer. Read first the offer and my explanations afterwards:

Hello,
Thank you for your interest in the Virtual Voice Technologies (VVT) Cruise campaign where you will have direct access to the cloud VVT system from the Clients servers in Florida, US, this campaign is only available to Pvt. Ltd companies that are registreded with the Minestry.
This is the system and man power requirements to get this campaign for 2 logins per agent, each agent will handle dual systems, minimum 10 agents. NO EXCEPTIONS and you will get 2 free agents login so please use them from day one so you have 12 agents working from start.
It’s important for you to start with all the required emplyees from day one, if not you will not be profitable and you will be terminated right away. we do not accept call center with bad working habits, all required conditions need to be meet from 1st day of dialing such as man power, working hours, working days.
  • 10-12 agents.
  • 20-24 PC’s
  • 20-24 Monitors,
  • 20-24 Mouse
  • 10-12 Split headset (Mobile headset)
  • Min 3Mps up/down
  • TeamViewer installed on 1 PC
  • 2 logins per agent (20-24 total)
  • Logins should be used 9 am – 9 pm Est Mon – Fri and 10 am – 5 pm Est on Saturday.
  • 200+ calls per agent each hour (2,400 in an 12 hour day)
  • Mandatory recordings must be played and the appropriate responses obtained from the customer prior to transferring the call
  • At least 1+ >60 transfers per agent/hour
  • You will need to provide the following items (per agent) on before we can start:  Video Skype, 2 computers (total 20), 2 monitors (total 20), Split Headset, 300k bandwidth (per agent) and Windows XP or newer operating system.

Agreements will be send from end client after there final approval.
Campaign Charges:

  • VoIP, weekly around $300- $375 weekly for unlimited VoIP dialing for 10 agents.
  • VVT Login for 10 agents, 10 x 2 X $10.00 = $250.00 weekly, deducted from commissions.

To get started please send me a copy of your company registartion and a full email signature with all your company information such as , full name, title, company email, web site.
If you have any questions to any of the information, please contact me right away for clarifications.
If you wish to proceed please let me know and I will set it up right away.

if you take a look at the world largest cruise ships at Wikipedia then you see that the average capacity of such a cruise ship is around 4000 passengers. 

Why this offer is a slavery offer?

  • Ship cruises are expensive. The last minute discounted prices around US$ 100/night/person. The promoter of such tours have the problem to sell the beds at a normal way. For this they are offering last minute tickets with discounts up to 75%. Think about how many cold calls you have to make

  • You see in their offer, that an agent has to handle two calls at the same time. That means they don't have already enough money to make a lead generation on a normal way.

  • The center has to rent their technology
    Sorry, but if someone likes that you use their technology, than they have to provide it for free and they have to pay for the time the agents get their training!

  • The center has to pay for the VoIP minutes
    Sorry, but for whom they agents are calling? This one, which likes to earn has to pay for the VoIP minutes!
    They even like to reduce their phone bill, because the transferred call will run on the call centers bill!!!

  • An agent has to make 200+ calls each hour
    That are 100 calls per line and hour. In average speaking time (sorry playback time - they like to use Avatar) is 36 seconds for each call. if I get such a call then I'll hang up immediately. With such a system is a sale not possible. In this case we can use speech recognition too and don't need agents for it. The caller cannot say more than Hello, yes and no in this time.

I would not buy or accept such leads. In such a case I can buy phone directory data too! They are even cheaper.

In summary is this offer more worse then a SCAM. The client likes even to earn from the call center!!!

 

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Call Center Slavery Offers

A LinkedIn offer where the broker likes to reinvent the slavery - David Goodstein
by Rudolf Faix Sunday, February 15, 2015 7:17 AM

David Goodstein is searching for a call center at LinkedIn, where he can pull money, the call center has the risk and the work. The difference to the other scams is only, that the offer is very well described including the cheat (I have only picked out the most important parts):

  • "The only thing the customer is responsible for is the monthly monitoring fee. The fee ranges in price between $39 and $60 a month"
    Sorry, who likes the monitoring? In a normal world is it this one, who asks for the monitoring need to pay for it. In this case is it the client, for whom is done the work!

  • "You are responsible for your VOIP minutes"
    Your client is not able to pay the phone bill for the calls to the United States, which are normally traded at www.voicetrading.com for US$ 0.0052 and at www.voicebuy.com between US$ 0.0045 and US$ 0.0075 per minute. This is already too expensive for his customer. How would his customer pay the bill in this case for the call center?
    Sorry Mr. Goodstein, but you like to have a gift? Which gift gets the call center? At this world is nothing for free.

  • "Initially (first 2 weeks) your commission is based off of completed installations only and not on a transfer basis (payout is $150 per installation)."
    Mr. Goodstein, do you really think that someone can survive with $150 for 2 weeks even in a low wage country? Do you really think that you can get someone, which takes the risk of your business for you? I think that nobody will be so stupid and accept such an offer.

  • "We require you to use our Non - Voice Avatar like technology."
    Wow Mr. Goodstein, you like to make a test drive with your Avatar? In such a case you have to pay the agents per hour and not per lead! How the agent will be able to handle difficult and angry people? Mr. Goodstein do you have even recordings for this kind of people? How long is your list of recordings? Should the agent listen to the customer or permanently search for the correct recordings in the list?

  • "After the 2 week trial basis, if we see your team is capable of sending quality transfers on a consistent basis, we will pay you $6 per transfer, with a 60 second buffer)"
    We have seen already that you are not searching for quality. But even $6 is too less, if you accept only 59% of the transfer, like you have sent it in the Excel file, which is attached here. In this case the $6 is only $3.54. Mr. Goodstein, we all know that the US south states lost the war for the slavery. Do you like to reinvent the slavery again?

 

 
The agreement 1a Transfer Agreement - $6 per Transfer  60 second Buffer 01 26 20015:
  • "Except in the case of a predetermined lunch break, force majeure and or technical difficulties outside of the centers control, 80% of ALL logged agents MUST remain dialing during regular business hours with NO EXCEPTIONS. This includes scheduled breaks where no more than 20% of ALL agents may be on break at any given time. Failure to comply with this will result in a financial penalty of 20% of the daily average Billable Leads Generated by the center for EACH day such an infraction occurs."
    Mr. Goodstein: As your offer pays per lead, then you cannot make a penalty for working time or something else. In such a case you have to pay per hour!! What you try is nothing more than a big cheat!!!

  • "Company bears full responsibility for compliance with all state and federal laws regarding the content of their messages(s). Company certifies messages(s) used will be in compliance with 47 U.S.C § 227 or certifies exemption from its requirements."
    Mr. Goodstein: If you not print out this §, then is it invalid in any international agreement. You need to take care, that the "Company" gets informed about this rule. You can use this rule inside the US, but not in international contracts.

  • "Company agrees to pay all reasonable collection and/or attorney’s fees associated with part any investigation or compliant regarding Company’s use of the Service and proprietary technology."
    Mr. Goodstein: You try to give all fees in case of trial to your contractor before judgement day. That is really a nice try, but this is already invalid in international business. A nice try, but you will not be able to use it.

  • "TMI COMMUNICATIONS shall be held harmless in the event calls cannot be affected for any reason. Service and proprietary technology is provided on an “as is” and “as available” basis. Due to the nature of our products/services we do not allow refunds or cancellations. All Subscription Services are non refundable and on a month to month basis and are prepay only."
    Mr. Goodstein if you sell a service, which has to use a special technology, then you are responsible for this technology. If this technology is not working, then the customer or the call center has to get an refund. You are only try to cheat everybody!!!

  • "TMI COMMUNICATIONS reserves the right to cancel any scheduled campaign anytime"
    Mr. Goodstein: If you cancel a scheduled campaign, than you have compensate your contractor for this canceling

  • The signature
    Even the signature is invalid, because it use a script font instead of a hand written signature. That is your next try to cheat. Maybe you don't have any business education, but in international business have the documents to get signed in front of a notary and need to get legalized in each country.
All the other documents seems to got written by an amateur and not by using the help of an attorney. As they even don't like to pay for the phone minutes, it can be that a consultancy fee of an attorney has been to expensive too.
 
The agreement 4b - Agreement - Lead Generation - Avatar
  • Point 8 - Competitors Clause
    This clause is invalid as long as you not pay for the time, in your case 3 years, a compensation to your contractor

  • Point 10 - Contract is valid by transmitting it scanned, emailed, faxed etc
    Sorry but nobody is able to replace international law by any agreement. The agreement cannot get executed in this case. 

  • Point 11 - Don't call list, etc
    If TMI Communications is providing dialer and data, then TMI Communications is responsible for this rules. The "company" has no influence to the dialed number,because the leads are getting provided to them. The avatar system is already breaking the rule of TCPA about prerecorded messages. So the crime starts already at TMI Communications and the "company" should be responsible for this criminal act.

 

As Mr. Goodstein did even not sign it in a proper way all the documents have less value then the paper on it will get printed.

The LinkedIn offer from David Goodstein:

Home Security Lead Generation Campaign Available - Dialer, Avatar & Leads Provided for Free Auswahl des Managers

 

David Goodstein

Home Security Live Transfers, with 60 second buffers

Home security Campaign Available– We have 12 different installation groups that we are Master dealers for. They each have their own unique footprint to do installations in. When you combine all the footprints, we are in 44 states, covering over 40,000 zip codes or roughly 90% of the U.S. population. We offer the customer free equipment, free installation and wave out activation fee. The only thing the customer is responsible for is the monthly monitoring fee. The fee ranges in price between $39 and $60 a month. You would be doing lead generation; finding customers that have interest, cooperation are the home owners (not renters) and are not under contract with another security company. 

 

You will live transfer those calls to our closing agents. We will provide you with the dialer, avatar and leads for free. You are responsible for your VOIP minutes. 

 

Minimum 25 agents 

 

Initially (first 2 weeks) your commission is based off of completed installations only and not on a transfer basis (payout is $150 per installation). After the 2 week trial basis, if we see your team is capable of sending quality transfers on a consistent basis, we will pay you $6 per transfer, with a 60 second buffer) We require you to use our Non – Voice Avatar like technology. – Please go to tmicomm.com and review the demo video. 

 

David Goodstein 

TMIComm LLC 

(561) 574 - 4715 

dsgdsg77@gmail.com 

http://tmicomm.com/ 

SKYPE: davidgoodstein 

tmicomm.com tmicomm.com 

 

tmicomm.com

 

0- Cubicall Transfer Report - Week Ending 2 5 15.xlsx (45.24 kb)

1a Transfer Agreement - $6 per Transfer 60 second Buffer 01 26 20015.pdf (206.39 kb)

4b - Agreement - Lead Generation - Avatar.pdf (225.18 kb)

 

 

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