Offshore Outsourcing & Scammer

Yesterday I got a friend request on Facebook from a person with the name Dalbaq Singh. Shortly after I accepted the friendship request I got the first chat message from him (the provided time is GMT+1):

10:53pm Dalbaq Singh:

Hey Rudolf !

I came across your profile and your company ! Wanted to know more about the type of process you can help to start ! Waiting for your reply ! Thanks !

A short check of his Facebook profile returned, that the profile is empty, he cannot show his face and he has only one friend - me. I know already which kind of person he is. As I'm not offering anywhere something I replied the same way like to everybody who is asking me for campaigns:

11:04pm Rudolf Faix:

I'm sorry, but i'm already retired. I'm not offering anything. I list only the scammers for not getting bored

He tries to show that he understands it, but he tries to continue:

11:06pm Dalbaq Singh:

Ok !

But do you have any contacts or anybody who could help me with the process !

Ok, let's continue the game:

11:07pm Rudolf Faix:

I have not really some contacts for this. Each campaign needs to get checked for being a scam campaign

He is already losing his patience:

11:08pm Dalbaq Sing:

I have started a new centre and want a process !

Such words are already a big alarm sign for me. As he is thinking that he has the right to get a process even from someone who does not offer any process, I explained him:

11:08pm Rudolf Faix:

Normally you need to search for a process before you start a new center.

The outsourcing industry is already dead.

With the next message he tries to show that he knows more about me, my work and my past then I'm knowing about myself:

11:09pm Dalbaq Singh:

But I hope since you were in this industry you must have some contacts who are already working in this industrry !

I have a process of SEO and website development for a company in UK !

I want to get core BPO process now !

What has a SEO (Search Engine Optimizing) process to do with a call center work? At the time I have been young I liked to have so many things too and I did not get it. Now I'm happy with the things I have. For this reason I replied:

11:11pm Rudolf Faix:

Be happy that you had a SEO process. They are very seldom too

His answer has been surprising me. Search engine optimizing is a work where you need to observe how your changes are accepted from the search engines. It is a process which is running for a few months and maybe less than one hour work per month:

11:12pm Dalbaq Singh:

Yes I am happy but I only have it for 25 seats !

Is he trying to sell a SEO process over the phone? Does he really think that he can get in contact with someone, which gives him the access to his homepage to make some search engine optimization? The most of the companies have hired somebody who made their homepage. As I'm really not offering some campaigns I replied:

11:13pm Rudolf Faix:

In this case you'll need to search for a core process. Some brokers are working longer than 8-9 months for getting a process. This broker I'll write about has been Rob O'Malley from UK. He retired already

It seems that he is ignoring everything what I'm writing. How someone would ever give him any work? He is even not able to listen or to read:

11:13pm Dalbaq Singh:

I want to expand more 75 seats !

As he does not read my messages and seems to be on drugs or drunk, I replied:

11:14pm Rudolf Faix:

I cannot keep you back if you like to trash money

He even tries it that he likes to pay for getting work. That is the genuine way for getting scammed.

11:14pm Dalbaq Singh:

I am ok to invest but if only the person is genuine !

Each scammer would interpret the above message as he has found a new victim. As I'm even not enjoy to scam a scammer I replied:

11:15pm Rudolf Faix:

If you invest into a campaign from a broker you'll get scammed

Even this warning he is ignoring and continues like he likes to get really scammed:

11:15pm Dalbaq Singh

Come'on Rudolf ! I know you can help me !

Please help me to get a genuine Process !

As the chat is getting boring me already I'm trying to tell it to him more directly:

11:16pm Rudolf Faix:

OK, I'll invent now a campaign only for you for the reason that you'll stop.

As you cannot accept the truth you are on the best way to get scammed

Even this message does not stop him and he continues:

11:16pm Dalbaq Singh:

I didn't understand really !

You were in this industry and you know that we can get genuine processes !

He still tries to show me that he knows more about my life than I know about it by myself. He seems to be stupid too, that he tries to continue it on this way. Why I shall tell him about my contacts? If he contacts them on the same way I'll lose some friends. For this reason I replied:

11:18pm Rudolf Faix:

As I have not one contact offering real campaigns I cannot give you some information about campaigns. On this kind of campaigns you are working I have never been working

Maybe he got it now?

11:18pm Dalbaq Singh:

So what was your area of expertise !

Wow, it seems he got it that I'm not offering some campaigns. For this reason I listed him some points about my work I have done:

11:20pm Rudolf Faix:

I have been working on computer networks, VoIP, security systems, data bases and call centers. But this centers have been working in another kind of campaigns like dating over the phone

The process dating over the phone has been working good in the German speaking area of Europe and is in U.S. not possible, because there are some requirements missing. He tries to get more information about it:

11:21pm Dalbaq Singh:

SO that is something like a voice process rather !

Where can I look for these types of campaings !

Now I need to explain him why this kind of campaign is in the U.S. not available:

11:22pm Rudolf Faix:

You even need not think about to copy such a campaign because premium phone numbers are in the U.S. already not available.

He shows again that he even did not read my answer. How someone can hire such a "call center owner"? He is not able to read and not able to accept some facts or instruction as get shown in the next messages:

11:22pm Dalbaq Singh:

Or can you help me with this !

I have a number already !

He ignored the word "premium" from premium phone numbers. So I replied again with the facts:

11:23pm Rudolf Faix:

That has been our own process. It is still working in the German speaking area of Europe, but not in the English speaking area of the world.

You have a number where you get paid if someone calls you?

Now he starts to lie to me. The U.S. have stopped this kind of phone numbers for the reason of too much scam by using this kind of phone numbers:

11:25pm Dalbaq Singh:

I have a friend in NY, he owns it and gets paid for that !

I try it again to explain him the kind of phone number to be sure that he get's it about what I'm writing:

11:25pm Rudolf Faix:

I have written about premium phone numbers. The caller pays a high price per call or per minute. You'll get paid for taking the call

Has he understood it now?

11:25pm Dalbaq Singh:

Rudolf i have a very good idea about all that !

I show him that he has no idea about any call center work and he does even not know about what has happened in the world:

11:26pm Rudolf Faix:

Then you only need to announce the phone number with any service and you can make money. The problem is only that such numbers got stopped already 2 or 3 years ago

That got stopped in the U.S, by law

It seems that he is now understanding that he cannot win this kind of discussion:

11:27pm Dalbaq Singh:

I want to rather get a process outsourced to my centre than creating or copying any process !

For this I tried to explain him:

11:28pm Rudolf Faix:

There are no processes which are getting outsourced. All offers from the low wage countries are nothing else than scam

With his next message he is confirming that he is stupid and evven cannot differ between a site of a call center and a broker:

11:28pm Dalbaq Singh:

I thought you have a website which says that you get processes outsourced to centres !

As the site is nothing else than a description of services of a call center and he seems not be able to understand English, I wrote:

11:28pm Rudolf Faix:

Not one company is searching abroad for a broker or consultant

I have nowhere any offers for call centers

It seems that he even ignore this message and continues:

11:29pm Dalbaq Singh:

But if we get a process outsourced in US !

http://wwpa.com/page/inbound-call-center-services

The content from this site is only a description about inbound call center services. It is from the time as inbound calls could get outsourced. I don't have any outsourcing offers there. So this guy has really a problem with the English language. How he can get any client if he is not able to understand anything?

11:29pm Rudolf Faix:

The only service I give to centers is free of charge, That is that I'm listing the scams

That has been an offer to get clients for my center at the Philippines. This center is already shut down

11:31 Dalbaq Singh:

SO why the website still active ?

It looks that he even thinks that a call center is giving him her campaign only to makre him happy. Does it not show how stupid he is? As it is my problem what I'm doing with my website I replied:

11:31pm Rudolf Faix:

Because I did not remove it until now. I don't know with what I shall replace it

As no requests are coming from it, it does not matter if the website is up or not

It seems that he accepts this explaination. So he likes to know now something new:

11:32pm Dalbaq Singh:

You said that you list scam companies !

so how do you differentiate between genuine and fraud companies !

As it is really easy to identify scam campaigns I have descroibed it in a simple sentence:

11:34pm Rudolf Faix

I'm reading the offer from the scammer and compare it with the law in the country of the client. The most scams are getting identified by these facts

you can read about the reasons at each scammer I have listed in my blog

It seems that he even does not believe it that he needs to use for this purpose his brain. For this he asks again:

11:36pm Dalbaq Singh:

How do you differentiate genuine vioce processes from fraud ones !

I know that a scammer is too lazy to use his brain. For this I replied again:

11:36pm Rudolf Faix

If you read my last message then you'll know it

I'm reading the offer from the scammer and compare it with the law in the country of the client. The most scams are getting identified by these facts

Now he tries to bring it to the technical support offers:

11:38pm Dalbaq Singh:

How do you know that if someone offering an inbound technical support campaign is fraud or not !

My reply is very simple:

11:42pm Rudolf Faix:

Technical support is in general a scam. Technical support gets paid from the vendor and not from the caller

11:43pm Dalbaq Singh:

yes that is what i meant !

It seems that he even does not understand how the technical support calls are getting offered at the social networks. For this I'm explaining it for im more detailed:

11:43pm Rudolf Faix:

Calls to Microsoft, Symantec, etc, are free of charge, The caller even not need to pay for the phone minutes

Now he tries it with the method "I know someone, which .....". Please remember from the begin of the conversation that he has been searching for campaigns:

11:44pm Dalbaq Singh:

I know someone who is offering an inbound technical support process and is paid by the vendor and not the caller !

The vendor would be paying to the centre and there are no sales required !

As he does not get it that he is contradicting himself already I replied:

11:45pm Rudolf Faix:

Then try to get calls from the same source

11:46pm Dalbaq Singh:

Yes I have spoken to them and even checked with other centres who are already running those processes !

taken from them

But they do charge a fee ! And gives valid legal papers against them !

So i don't find any point to see any fraud in them !

If there are already legal papers existing against them what can it be other than fraud or scam?

11:51pm Rudolf Faix:

The fee is already the fraud.

The centers you have spoken get paid for giving you the correct answer

We have in German a proverb "Wem nicht zu raten ist, dem ist nicht zu helfen" translated "This one which cannot get counseled cannot get helped":

11:51pm Dalbaq Singh:

But 3 centres are already paid and have got a the process running for the past 6 months !

I have visited 2 centres on my own and have seen the work going on !!!!!!!!!!!!!

As he tries to convince me about the legality of the campaign I'm suggesting him like everybody else would do:

11:51pm Rudolf Faix:

If you know the vendor you only need to show that your agents are certified technicians and make a them an offer which is a little bit better than your competitors. If you are lucky you'll get hired from the vendor

In the next message we can see that the vendor seems to be stupid too:

11:53pm Dalbaq Singh

The vendor has an exclusive contract with the consultant !!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the vendor made even an exclusive contract with an broker from India. That would be the crown of the scam.

11:54 Rudolf Faix:

Not one vendor from the U.S. makes any exclusive contract.

Not one vendor from the U.S. is searching for consultant abroad

Oh, it comes better, the scammer is searching for a campaign from India abroad - in this case his search will not have some success:

11:55 Dalbaq Singh:

But when did I mention US !

Rudolf I never mentioned US vendor, DID I ????

What does he like really from me. I'm Austrian citizen and living at the Philippines. So let us continue the game:

11.56 Rudolf Faix:

There are only small software companies available in Europe. This kind of companies from Europe have not more than 3 seats for their tech support hotline

The same is valid for Australia.

The hotline from Microsoft has a head count from less than 50!!! So why you lie me?

Now he has no other possibility as to say that the client is from India:

11:58pm Dalbaq Singh:

I was taking about an Indian Client, Rudolf !

My reply has been already waiting to get entered before he has written this message:

11:59 Rudolf Faix:

Ok now I understand. Indian software companies need to have more technical support than Microsoft because their products are so bad

He tries to make now the best out of the situation he brought himself. For this he tries even to use the name of a famous person:

12:00am Dalbaq Singh:

I said that recently I heard from a centre and then got the reference about this consultant !

We are taking about e-commerce companies here !

The CEO of Microsoft is also an Indian NOW !!!!!!!!

Even a CEO of Microsoft has to follow the instructions what he gets from the owner. And this CEO did not make Microsoft to the company which is it now. There are even better examples about famous people from India available:

12:01am Rudolf Faix:

As the CEO from Microsoft has an Indian source or not does not make anything. Ghandi has been from India too

I have taken Ghandi only as an better example. His reaction shows only what he likes in reality from me:

12:02am Dalbaq Singh:

SO, what do you mean to say !

12:02am Rudolf Faix:

That does not make anybody better or worse

12:03am Dalbaq Singh:

I did not make anybody worse rather you said that indian softwares are bad !

And what do you know about ghandi ????

12:04am Rudolf Faix

It does not make India better or worse if one has a good job. There are a lot of good people available on the world

12:04 Dalbaq Singh

I asked for your suggestion and you went on a wrong line rather !

12:05am Rudolf Faix:

Buddha has its source in India too

It seems that this answer has satisfied him and he is changing the topic back to the beginning:

12:05am Dalbaq Singh:

I just asked how can someone identify if there is something fishy in these offeres !

He still does not believe it that the most of the scammers are getting identified by their own scam offers. I repeated it for him again:

12:05am Rudolf Faix:

And I have given you an answer

Did you not read it until now?

12:06am Dalbaq Singh:

Because i did not find any point which shows that there is something wrong !

As the "And gives valid legal papers against them" and the fee for the work are not already enough proof for the scam, he tries even to change the countries and the conditions how he likes. He likes to have from me a statement, which I cannot give to him as he is not declaring all the facts before. It seems to be that he tries to learn how to scam better. For the purpose to teach scammers I'm not available.

12:07am Rudolf Faix

I had written about how to identify scammer: I'm reading the offer from the scammer and compare it with the law in the country of the client. The most scams are getting identified by these facts

If you take a look at the scam campaigns that are listed on my site then you'll see that all these campaigns have a client in the English speaking countries. You have started about an Indian company which operates in India, So you need to know if they are operating against the law in India, I even cannot read and understand the Indian law.

Update Jan. 18, 2017:
Link from Dalbaq Singh (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010758575096) removed as it returns error 404 - not found.

Recently I got forwarded a form filling project "US LOAN CUSTOMERS DATA DIGITALIZATION PROCESS". Already the title told me that the project is nothing else than scam. U.S. consumer date are protected by law. Banking data and loan data are high sensible data and are for this reason to get special protected. Public available are normally not more than data found in a phone directory.

The offer is from 9frramez Info Service LLP, which should be an ISO 9001-2008 certified company for the case even the the ISO certification is not a fake too. Their staff member can even not show her own face at her LinkedIn profile. It seems that Safiya Begum (for the case it is her true name) does not like to provide a manhunt picture by herself. The same is valid for their director, which is using at LinkedIn the name "9 frramez" and a graphic instead of a profile picture. The Facebook profile of 9frramez does not look in a better way.

It seems that both are believing that it is enough to promote dream campaigns and get for their inventions huge advanced fees. In any case is the comment interesting with which I got the campaign description forwarded:

Greetings of the day.

 

please find the attachments of the campaign.

These guys have Diwali offer for me in the payment which ill send you in another mail.

To talk about work, when i visited their registered office they showed me the work in the software they going to provide me for the work. I have seen the the software, seen them working on it.

I had searched for their companies master data in mca21.com an Indian government website. I will send those details too.

when i visited one of their vendor(center which is working on their project like other centers) he told me that he paid some amount while getting the project, though there is a delay in the payback, client is paying the bills without fail. He is running a home based BPO where he is living with his family. He showed me the mails of work he's been allotted. his employees are working through team viewer. I had observed everything and didn't find anything to doubt him.

Coming to 9frames they were a bit rude when i asked them for another center details. Previously they used to call me of their own, but now when i called them about the center details they were rude. I just said them "fine then....thank you".

 

Please go through all of them.

Attached has been the project description as pdf-file and the following screenshot:

The above screenshot shows that the data are computer generated and for this reason already stored in a digital way. There is no need for any manually action to convert the data into another format or storage ares. This can be done by converting data on the direct way. Such a data conversion is faster (depending on the system itself will take such a export/import procedure a few minutes and not 11 months like described in the pdf-file) and is 100% error free. In any case is a dataconversion cheaper than any manual workforce.

For this free invented project the scammer likes to get  "SERVICE FEE Rs.2.00 Lakh + (14% Service Tax) for Each 5 Seats or Rs.3.75 Lakh + (14% Service Tax) for Each 10 Seats". I know that scammer don't like to use their brain and they are thinking if they invent a campaign then it needs to be very expensive. But they are even to stupid to invent a campaign for a scam which can hardly get identified, because their brain is not in training.

That they even ar too stupid to remember their own company name gets shown if we take a look at their company registration data:

Even at their domain registration they are not able to write their real company name: 

Domain Name: 9FRAMES.ORG
Registry Domain ID: D164739177-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server: WHOIS.ENOM.COM
Registrar URL: WWW.ENOM.COM
Update Date: 2015-10-17T00:20:39.00Z
Creation Date: 2012-02-17T06:37:00.00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2017-02-17T06:37:00.00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: ABUSE@ENOM.COM
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252982646
Domain Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Registry Registrant ID: a8c6baa9958a049c
Registrant Name: KRRISHNA VARADA
Registrant Organization: 9FRRAMEZ
Registrant Street: BSR PLAZA
Registrant Street:
Registrant City: VIJAYAWADA
Registrant State/Province: ANDHRA PRADESH
Registrant Postal Code: 520008
Registrant Country: IN
Registrant Phone: +1.8662466199
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: 9frramez@gmail.com
Registry Admin ID: a8c6baa9958a049c
Admin Name: KRRISHNA VARADA
Admin Organization: 9FRRAMEZ
Admin Street: BSR PLAZA
Admin Street:
Admin City: VIJAYAWADA
Admin State/Province: ANDHRA PRADESH
Admin Postal Code: 520008
Admin Country: IN
Admin Phone: +1.8662466199
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: 9frramez@gmail.com
Registry Tech ID: a8c6baa9958a049c
Tech Name: KRRISHNA VARADA
Tech Organization: 9FRRAMEZ
Tech Street: BSR PLAZA
Tech Street:
Tech City: VIJAYAWADA
Tech State/Province: ANDHRA PRADESH
Tech Postal Code: 520008
Tech Country: IN
Tech Phone: +1.8662466199
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: 9frramez@gmail.com
Name Server: NS1.JUNIPER.ARVIXE.COM
Name Server: NS2.JUNIPER.ARVIXE.COM
DNSSEC:UNSIGNED
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System:
HTTP://WDPRS.INTERNIC.NET/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database:2015-08-16T19:42:11.00Z <<<

The second domain registration data 9frramez.com:

Domain Name: 9FRRAMEZ.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1856910805_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: WHOIS.ENOM.COM
Registrar URL: WWW.ENOM.COM
Update Date: 2015-08-17T13:26:04.00Z
Creation Date: 2014-05-01T10:13:00.00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2017-05-01T10:13:00.00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: ABUSE@ENOM.COM
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252982646
Domain Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: KRRISHNA VARADA
Registrant Organization: 9FRRAMEZ
Registrant Street: BSR PLAZA
Registrant Street:
Registrant City: VIJAYAWADA
Registrant State/Province: ANDHRA PRADESH
Registrant Postal Code: 520008
Registrant Country: IN
Registrant Phone: +1.8662466199
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: 9frramez@gmail.com
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: KRRISHNA VARADA
Admin Organization: 9FRRAMEZ
Admin Street: BSR PLAZA
Admin Street:
Admin City: VIJAYAWADA
Admin State/Province: ANDHRA PRADESH
Admin Postal Code: 520008
Admin Country: IN
Admin Phone: +1.8662466199
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: 9frramez@gmail.com
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: KRRISHNA VARADA
Tech Organization: 9FRRAMEZ
Tech Street: BSR PLAZA
Tech Street:
Tech City: VIJAYAWADA
Tech State/Province: ANDHRA PRADESH
Tech Postal Code: 520008
Tech Country: IN
Tech Phone: +1.8662466199
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: 9frramez@gmail.com
Name Server: NS1.JUNIPER.ARVIXE.COM
Name Server: NS2.JUNIPER.ARVIXE.COM
DNSSEC:UNSIGNED
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System:
HTTP://WDPRS.INTERNIC.NET/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database:2015-08-16T21:21:44.00Z <<<

Update March 12, 2016: A Neelesh tries to impress me with big words:

Hi there!

It was very nice to see about our company that it is a scam on your blog.

We request you to share your address details to proceed legally on this particular issue.

We have completely gone through our previous track and didn't find nothing wrong with our people.

So, that we have escalated the matter to our admin department to take legal action against you.

We really cannot understand, no such person as mentioned in your blog visited our company and no people have behaved rudely with your people.

Anyways, It is better to you to remove the post asap, else we wanted to file suit on you after have confirmed that there was no such wrong things from our end.

Awaiting for your reply.

Regards
Neelesh
9frramez

Author information

Name: Neelesh
E-mail: neelesh.9frramez@gmail.com
IP address: 49.207.255.142
User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/49.0.2623.87 Safari/537.36 

It seems that Neelesh is even too lazy to look into the full legal disclaimer of this website or into the domain registration data. There he would find my address he is asking for.

Sure, each scammer does not recognize his own fail. The problem is only that 9frames Info Services LLP does not have any client for the offered campaign because loan data are in the U.S. protected by law and the outsourcing client would get fined with US$ 16,000 per record. If we are calculating how many records a center with 5 or 10 seats can enter during one day then we see that the client would pay millions of dollars for each day as a fine. For this reason the complete offshore outsourcing campaign will not make any sense because the client will pay in sum more than to let it typing by the most expensive staff of his own company.

So Neelesh, please file a law court case and bring the evidence that I'm wrong in my opinion. I'll bring you the victims, which got already scammed from from 9framez Info Services LLP.

Update November 21, 2015: Maybe it is not clear enough in the original article, but it does not matter if the scammer is paying the centers or not in this case. The scam starts by generating the calls for the “Tech support”:

• Offered installation calls for Mcafee, Norton, MS Office, Printer setup
  A customer, which buys a product and which is not working on his site, likes to get his money back. For this reason he will complain the seller or the hotline from the manufacturer of the product and will not call someone where he has even to spend more money than he has spent already. This is called guarantee for a product. The producer or seller of the product needs to get the chance to solve the problem before he has to give the money back to the customer. That is consumer law and for this reason are the offers of the “installation calls” nothing else than scam. Nobody will pay for something where he has a right to get it for free.
  
  
• Blue screen calls
  For the case a blue screen happens is there nowhere shown a phone number to call. Real blue screen cases are happening during system malfunctions based on some hardware or memory defects, failures of drivers or by installing some suspicious software. A blue screen cannot get solved from remote and by using some remote desktop programs because these programs are not functioning during the time a blue screen happens. As you need to try to reproduce the problem will it be hard job to do such work from remote with a normal and technical not interested user on the other end.
  
  
• Pop up calls
  If the pop-up is more than a simple promotion the offer is a scam. Even UK Financial Fraud Action is warning to give untrusted people remote access to their computer. Everybody knows how many people are using pop-up blocker and adblocker. The advertising industry is already crying about percentage of people can get reached. How will in this case a scammer generate enough calls which he likes to sell?

In any case call centers should be aware that participating in a fraud system is a criminal action and gets prosecuted. If you buy calls which are getting generated by malware you’ll be in the first line of investigation because of the money flow from the victim to you. Maybe the real criminal disappears in the meantime and you are the only remaining one which gets prosecuted. If the seller can get found is not so bad for you because in this case you’ll get prosecuted only for the dubious purchase but it can come worse too as everybody likes to protect himself in front of law.

The above facts cannot get discussed away. On the other site G. P. Singh tries to use the revenge postings from other scammers to use against me instead of trying to explain me where I’m wrong in my understanding his offer. The same way all other scammers are acting too. The problem is only that there are no evidences and the postings did not get proved from anyone. Richa Softwaresolution has even tried to fake an email from me but could even not provide mailheaders for it. This try can get found in my article Fake emails which seems to be from Rudolf Faix - rudolffaix@gmail.com - rudolf.faix@wwpa.com. Such an email gets shown at the screenshot below:

Original arcticle:

At the LinkedIn profile from G. P. Singh gets shown how a formerly successful businessman has changed to be now a scammer. The statement from G. P. Singh in answer to a comment shows already the scam: "There are no details to send. Decice what you want, place an order, prepay and we deliver the calls. Simple!".

Maybe the scammer does not know that Microsoft, Symantec (Norton), Intel (McAffee) and the manufacturers like Canon, HP, Dell, etc. have their own support hotline where their customers can call free of charge and get support without paying for it. The calls to these support hotlines are even used for improving their products. But it seems that the scammer G. P. Singh has already lost his ability to think and is only interested in getting money for nothing.

For the case that a center owner pays for getting such a kind of calls and he gets really some calls then these calls are getting generated by malware and fake websites. That is a crime which gets prosecuted. In such a case the center owner needs to think how he gets paid for his fraud service. The money flow will make the center owner to a scammer and bring him into the first line of investigation. Here are some examples about tech support scam, which got already prosecuted:

• FTC, Pennsylvania and Connecticut Sue Tech Support Scammers That Took More Than $17 Million From Consumers
• Federal Court Orders Tech Support Scammers to Pay More Than $5.1 Million
• Operators of Alleged Tech Support Scam Settle FTC Charges, Will Surrender Money and Property
• FTC Testifies on Efforts to Stop Illegal Tech Support Scams Before Senate Special Committee on Aging

Here is a screenshot from the scam offer:

Maybe the scammer G. P. Singh needs some money for disappearing because the Stock Fraud Attorney Fitapelli | Kurta is actually searching for more victims of a fraud done by Zen Financial Services and Jonathan Bao:

Broker Complaints: Zen Financial Services and Jonathan Bao

The securities and investment fraud law firm, Fitapelli Kurta, is interested in speaking to investors who have lost money investing with Zen Financial or Jonathan Bao.

Zen Financial Services is an independent financial planning and investment firm based out of in Alhambra, California. Zen Financial Services was established in 2011 by Jonathan Bao. Zen Financial Services specializes in retirement plans, wealth management to high net worth individuals, and small businesses. Zen Financial Services offers investments in common stock, mutual funds, annuities, Roth IRAs, Traditional IRAs, and 401k’s. Zen Financial Services is a small firm, employing approximately one to four people. Zen Financial Services’ main office is located at 205 South Chapel Avenue, Alhambra, CA 91801. Zen Financial Services is not a FINRA member firm and is not registered with the SEC.

Zen Financial Services’ founder and president, Jonathan Bao, has recommended the following securities to investors: ProShares Ultra VIX Short-Term Futures (UVXY) and Dendreon Corporation (DNDN). Jonathan Bao is also registered with Royal Alliance Associates.

These 2x ETFs are highly speculative investments which present a significant amount of risk to investors. These nontraditional ETFs trade on a daily basis, which means they should ideally be sold at the end of each day to accurately predict and maximize profit. The longer these ETFs are held on for, the harder they become to predict and the less likely an investor is to make any money.

If you or someone you know has lost money investing in nontraditional ETFs through Jonathan Bao or Zen Financial Services, Royal Alliance, or one of its other brokers, you may be entitled to full recovery of your losses. The attorneys at Fitapelli Kurta prosecute cases on behalf of investors like you who have lost money as a result of unsuitable investments recommended by firms like Zen Financial Services and Royal Alliance. These cases are taken on a contingency fee basis only, which means our firm will not receive any compensation whatsoever unless and until you recover money.

Cases are filed with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) and will submit to arbitration. Fitapelli Kurta has filed hundreds of cases before FINRA and has recovered millions on behalf of investors who have fallen victim to broker misconduct. Do not delay. Call 877 – 238 – 4175 to speak directly to an attorney and further discuss the merits of your case.

Our consultations are always free.

Call 877 – 238 – 4175 now.

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Update November 21, 2015 - A statement from Mr. G. P. Singh:

Also, ZenFinancial, has nothing to do with the 'Zen Financial Services' which you are referring to, so please remove this post, ASAP

Maybe he is right in this case, but it is his problem to use the same name of a fraud company. As Microsoft and the other companies are not publishing his phone numbers for their support services remains the question how the calls are generated. The offer includes "Blue Screen calls" and "Pop Up calls". As no phone number gets shown at a blue screen it will be very hard for a scammer to find any arguments why someone should call his number if there is no scareware or malware used for generating this kind of calls. Scareware and malware distribution is a crime!

Update November 21, 2015 - A personal message to me from a Facebook member:

I saw your post regarding Mr Singh. He has a lot of campaigns to offer. I am supposedly going to run his payday loan campaign but a supposed to be 1-2 minutes script to run by an agent he wanted the call to run for 15 minutes. Which is very impossible and the pay is $9 only per succesful transfer. Definitely all centers who gets campaigns from him lost. I have never seen an outbound campaign with a very short script to run on a call for 15 mins or more. I think too hes a scammer. You may check his zen blog page for diff campaigns

An Australian company, with the name Syntel Pvt. Ltd. got registered on June 17, 2013. The "Founding Partner and Director at Syntel Pty Ltd" Amanjit Sahota writes by himself in his LinkedIn profile that he is since August 2014 Director of his own company, makes the company already very suspect. For me it shows that the company did not earn enough in the time from June 2013 until July 2014 for paying his salary and/or he got fired on his other job.

If I read additional in the year 2015 at http://syntel.com.au/why-syntel (2016-02-25: Link removed - Domain not exists): "We have spent the last 6 years perfecting VOIP (Voice Over IP) phone systems which means you can take advantage of the internet to make cheaper, often free calls." than I know that they are notorious liars or they are not able to calculate by using their brain and have not enough money for a pocket calculator. Both is in business worse.

If such a person even does not understand the difference between a LinkedIn company page and a LinkedIn personal profile, then it shows that the person seems have a real problem understanding any rules in business. If I read additional in his profile that his language is Punjabi then I think already about a post forwarding service and not about a local company in Australia.

Anyway the business amateur Amajit Sohota has sent me from his "personal company" profile at LinkedIn the following offer:

G`day Rudolf,

How are ya?

Many thanks for accepting my invite.

The reason I am getting in touch is that we have large presence in Manila and we are growing fast. We have a couple of ex-pats, from Australia, who are recommending our Hosted VPBX Services to customers in Manila. This is going great and I was wondering if this would be something we could partner up with?

The Dealer Agreement is a pretty straight forward arrangement whereby you locate possible opportunities, scope them out and then recommend us to them. We then take care of the rest. If they sign up we are happy to pay the following, which to date is the largest number of seats we have had come on board through a referral in one go:

5,000 Seat Opportunity.
5000 x $10 = $50,000 Up Front Fee

This particular customer went for the $49.95 All inclusive plan.
Therefore the trail is as follows: 5000 x $49.95 = $249,750.00 10% Trail = $24,975.00 Per Month for the 36 Months of the contract.

Most customers opt for either the $15 plan or the $49.95, depending on their needs. There are plans in between, they do not get much take up. We can be bespoke, if the opportunity requires, just let us know and we can amend accordingly. We pride ourselves on being proactive and dynamic.

As you can see the figures are inviting, for the right opportunity. This is, to date, the largest opportunity we have had in Manila.

Please do get back to me on: amanjit@syntel.com.au if this of interest.

My Director of Support will be in Manila in early December and would be happy to meet up, to discuss further. I will be up in early February, so happy to meet then, if that suits.

Enjoy your day and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Thanks!

Ammo
0427 550 566
1300 739 885
amanjit@syntel.com.au

I really cannot believe that one owner of a 5,000 seat call center can be so stupid to sign-up with such a suspicious company. Does such a call center owner not think about the risk what he has with only one business partner? Such a center needs to get divided into a few sections to reduce the risk of a fail. A serious consultant will warn such people and reject the job if the call center owner does not understand the risk. One example of the risk: If the Internet connection from the place of the center drops for an hour the damage would be 5,000 working hours of his agents! The same can happen with the power connection of the center - only the Internet connection drops normally more often than the power connection.

As the email address provided in the offer is from an Australian domain I think that the prices are in Australian Dollars. Based on the exchange rate from today the up-front fee of AU$ 50,000 has the value of US$ 35,499.51 and the offer the monthly payment from AU$ 24,975 has the value of US$ 17,732.

Nowhere is written what is all included in the "all inclusive" offer. It seems to be only important for Amanjit Sahota to make money instead of explaining his offer. I would kick out such a salesman from my company. VoIP minutes cannot be included because they are different from country to country, from provider to provider and if fixed or mobile phones are get called. The local computers from the centers and the Internet connection of the center cannot be included too because the price is depending on the region of the world. In this case in the "all inclusive" offer can be only be included can the basic hosting and the rental of a phone system. For this is the offered price nothing else than profiteering.

To my reply "Maybe you need to rethink your offer and compare your prices with others on the international market", I got the answer:

G`day Rudolf,

How are ya?

Thanks for the message. We have Call Centres which are primarily for Overseas Clients, so our rates are good for them. Happy to discuss what would work with you.

Thanks!

Ammo

It seems to be his sales strategy. I don't think that he would be really successful with this strategy.

Let us make a simple calculation example: I would take for security reasons at 4 SQL server, which are storing the data, the configuration of the phone systems and the call detail records. The price for one sql server hardware is around US$ 1,000. In sum we spend US$ 4,000 for our datastorage system. Additonal I would use for 500 seats one phone system based on Linux and Asterisk (Asterisk itself, GoAutoDial or a similar product). The price for one of these phone systems is around US$ 500. As I need 10 from them I spend in sum US$ 5,000. As Linux, Asterisk, GoAutoDial is open source I don't need to pay something for the software and I have enough capacity for a failover in the case that one system dies. Each of the phone systems will get connected to different Internet providers. This will enhance the failover possibilities and reduces the risk of an Internet drop. As more different VoIP providers I'll use as higher would get my security in the case of an error. I even can make a least cost routing between the chosen VoIP providers.

If we take now the above calculation in sum then I have spent until now only US$ 9,000 for the hardware. If I like to use the MS SQL server instead of a Linux open source SQL server than I need to spend additional US$ 650 for the Windows Server Software and US$ 4000 for the MS SQL Server. As I'm using 4 SQL-Server I have to spend in this case US$ 18,600 for the software. Even if we are now counting everything together we spend in sum US$ 27,600. That is even less than the up-front fee from the offer from Syntel Pvt. Ltd. (US$ 35,499.51). I would even make personally the complete server setup for the center for less than the half of the remaining US$ 7,899.517, which this solution is cheaper then the up-front costs from Syntel Pvt. Ltd.

The savings of my suggestion are in this case the "very small" amount of US$ 24.975 each month for 36 months of the contract. That makes the "little" sum of US$ 899,100 during 3 years of operation.

Update November 23, 2015: Syntel sent a message that in the "all inclusive" Plan is VoIP included:

G`day Rudolf,

How are ya? Hope you had a great weekend.

The All Inclusive Plans included All Local/National Calls All 1300/1800 Numbers and All Mobile calls.

Hope that assist. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Thanks!

A call center is working 17 hours a day (call time between 8 am and 9 pm additional 4 time zones on the continent) and 6 days a week calling the U.S. If we take now the minutes generated from a single agent then we need to multiply 60 minutes per hour * 17 hours a day * 26 days per month to see the result of 26,520 minutes an agent is generating during one month. If we divide now the difference between the standard plan and the all inclusive plan (AU$ 34.95 = US$ 25.26) then we see that this sum got offered as flat rate from some VoIP providers for private users. These VoIP providers, which have offered such a flat rate, are getting found now at the VoIP cemetery. The reason is very simple found. We need only divide the US$ 25.26 by the generated minutes from one agent during one month - 26,520. The result is rounded US$ 0.00095249. This minute price is far under the value which are the telecom companies billing under each other for the minutes. Each minute will generate a loss in this case. Not one company will pay you for using their lines.

The all inclusive offer is even worse and the loss for the phone companies higher for the case that this offer is restricted to the Australian phone numbers. The Australian free phone numbers 1300/1800 are not getting called from call centers because call centers need to sell something and not speak with customer services. The interconnect exchange rate is for Australia even at least 10 times higher than from U.S. phone companies. The agent is only 1 hour less generating per day because Australia has only 3 time zones on the continent.

Update November 18, 2015: The following shows how scammer are thinking how they can build up a business and how they are thinking how they can continue if they are getting catched to be scammer.

I have written the article one day after I have warned the scammer Phani Indra - Malladi Phanindra immediately as he had published the scam campaign in Facebook. In the hope that nothing will happen to him, he continued posting copying one campaigns after another from other sources where he even didn't know the source. It did even not make any difference for him if the campaign is genuine or not. He even does not have any knowledge how to identify a scam campaigns and he has ignored my warnings. Only important for him has been to make money. The way to get money and if the payer gets something for his money has not been important for him.

As the most of the campaigns are only available against an advanced fee are the campaigns nothing else than scam. A real client is searching for a broker or consultant which is near of his place and not abroad. The clients likes to have the possibility to make a complaint immediately and directly as soon as something goes wrong. If a client is searching abroad then he is searching directly for a center and not for a middle man. In this case he likes to avoid the kids game "Chinese message" and save the fee for the broker. For this reasons are 99.9% campaign offers with source from low wage countries nothing else than scam.

On this article he has shown an reaction and started to delete the campaign offers from his site after he even used a friend, which tried to explain me in the Facebook group "the campaign is from a friend":

My opinion is that people which have such a kind of friends don't need some enemies - such people are already punished with these kinds of friends!

Afterwards he started to delete the campaign from his site savebpo.com. In the social networks are the offers still available - only the link to his site is not working. Here a screenshot from the scam offer in Facebook from today morning:

As I told him, that he does not have any contract or permission with Deep Blue Marketing and for this he needs to remove the campaigns from Deep Blue Marketing too, he replied: "Are you talking about the UK Boiler Survey campaign with hot key transfer. Project ?". This answer shows that he even does not know the source of the campaigns and he had never any contact with any client or another broker. He has only copied campaigns from suspicious sources in the hope of getting rich from the up-front fees.

After he has deleted some campaigns - only from his site, he sent me the following message at Facebook:

I have just moved all energy campaigns to trash
All done now
I request you to remove my name from your blog
If you find any other scam or fraud projects in my site
Please contact the author

Sorry, but business is not a kindergarten game. For doing business you need to build up a reputation. Only to change the author of the site and using different names for the fraud does not bring a good reputation and does not release the owner of the site from beeing liable for the content. With other words is it nothing else than a nice try for continuing scamming centers by saying it is only a market place. Even a bad reputation is a reputation.

The whole story shows only how the scammers are trying to play man-in-the middle. For the case that the offered campaign is a real campaign how they like to make money with copy & paste. If the campaign is a scam than they get at least the up-front fee. In any case is it scam, because they even don't know who is the provider of the campaign and from where they have copied the campaign.

Original article November 17, 2015: Yesterday I found some unbelievable campaign offers in the social networks. The offers got posted from Phani Indra / Malladi Phanindra the owner of the domain savebpo.com. A warning about the scam offers got ignored from him, because today morning the offers still exists in the social networks and on his site savebpo.com. It seems that he thinks that he can get rich by asking an advanced fee from centers. In one worse case he even thinks that he can get 7 Lacs (US$ 10,574) for a campaign where data from the client need to be accessible to the salesperson. The client will get fined from the US FTC (Federal Trade Commission) with US$ 16,000 per record. AT&T had paid in the past for such a failure, where data got stolen during an outsourcing process and the fines have been even cheaper, US$ 25,000,000. This ones, which don't believe it can take a look at the FTC site or at my report about this case.

Not one client will take the risk to get fined. A client likes to save money by an offshore outsourcing process and not pay more than his top workers get paid for doing the job. As in the traditional outsourcing countries (Australia, Canada, European Union, U.S.) the consumer and customer data are protected by the data protection law and the fines for breaking the law are very high, not one client will outsource any campaign where the center needs to have access to their database. It does not matter if the data are getting misused by the center or stolen from by a someone else during a data breach. The business owner is liable in any case because he has collected the data.

Let us take a look at the offered scam campaign first

US International Inbound: Insurance Sector

Project description:

US Customer Care Process is to handle Inbound Calls of the customers who wanted to Inquire / Renew / claim / Transfer Insurance / Address or Other Modification.

• +/- Calls could be in Health Insurance in regards to : HMO, PPO, EPO and Miscellaneous Insurance of (Visitor Insurance, Green Card holders Insurance, Student Health Insurance,J1 Visa Insurance, OPT Students Insurance, Europe Travel Insurance, Health Insurance for Visa, International Health Insurance, Group Travel Insurance, Short-term Heath Insurance, Discount Cards, Global Employees Group Insurance .
  
  
• +/- Calls could be in Property and Casualty Insurance in regards to: Property (flood, earthquake, home, auto, pet) and Casualty (errors and omissions, workers’ compensation, disability, liability).
  
  
• +/- Calls could be in Reinsurance in regards to: Insurance of Proportional, Non Proportional, Risks Attaching Basis, Losses Occurring basis, Claims –Made basis.
  
  
• +/- Calls could be in vehicle Insurance in regards to: insurance of cars, trucks, motorcycles, and other road vehicles.
  
  
• +/- Calls could be in Life and Health insurance in regards to: Insurance of Health (Dental, Vision, Medications), Life (Long-Term Care, Accidental Death and Dismemberment, Hospital Indemnity), Miscellaneous (Europe Travel Insurance, Trip Cancellation Insurance, Cruise Insurance, Missionaries Insurance, marine Crew Insurance), Annuities (Securities) and Life and Annuities.

Seats : 10 Seats X 3 Shift
Payout : $10 Per Hour Per Agent
Billing : Approx 35 lakhs for 30 Seats. (Advance Billing for 1 Month at the time of Go Live)

Payment methodology: The Business Associate will diligently carry out Inbound Customer Care work; Business Associates will get calls on a regular daily basis as per below mentioned terms and conditions. Client agrees to provide Validation formats/Process document and other necessary information for processing documents to the Business Associate at the time of work commencement. The Business Associate shall submit the Reports as per schedule provided by the client; however Payouts are be released after getting the QC report of (bi-weekly) that particular period. The Client will pay each bill within maximum 5th of each month, all then payouts are going to be release after Quality Check Certificate. The Payout can be raised through e-mail or Fax and followed by hard copy. Q.C will be provided in 10-15 working days.

Quality: The Business Associate shall maintain accuracy of 84.99% for the processed as per Quality score card terms and norms. If the Business Associate cannot reach 84.99% accuracy on 1st submission then the Client shall give the Business Associate another 15 days for rectifying the mistake in future workings and there after the Client has the right to terminate this agreement on receiving 3rd Quality report with a further notice.

Documents Required:

• Company Profile and DOT Certificate
• Company’s LOI (Letter of Interest)
• Director’s Proof along with Senior Management Profile
• Pan Card o Company’s Registration Proof
• Center’s Screen Shots

Technical Requirements:

• 2 MBPS Leased Line + Server ( Min 8 GB RAM IBM X360 with Xeon Processor )
• 10-12 Seats capacity with 12 computers along with 12 headphones.
• Dual core Computers (Minimum) + 1 GB RAM.
• Server: “IBM X360 (Xeon Processor) with 8 GB RAM and 1 TB HDD (Minimum or more than that).
• PABX, ACD and CRM are from Client Side 4 MBPS Leased Line or we also accept if center wanted to use their Thin Clients shall operate in a Fiber rich environment with its own bandwidth.
• In Each Slot, A team of 10 (Ten), Agents (the Team), 1 Team Leaders, one Trainer. All mentioned above must be provided in One week, starting from the day this agreement is signed.

Commercial Charges Apply : Signup amount: INR 7,00,000

If you are interested contact us @ contact.savebpo@gmail.com or call us at 9701875999/ 8143444986

Please don’t ask for more details as you got them all in this post.

The offered campaign needs the knowledge of an insurance salesman. The education of an insurance salesman takes in Europe 3 years. How can agents, which don't know anything about insurances and centers where even the center owners don't know something about the law in foreign countries, will be able to handle such a job? How good the education in India is and how much interest about foreign laws gets already shown by offering such a sham campaign. The scammer is even too stupid to invent a real scam campaign.

That education of the scammer Phani Indra / Malladi Phanindra has been not better than passing far away from any school gets shown by the fact that he requires IBM X360 Xeon Processor for the center. it shows only that he has no idea about the requirements of a call center and the work of a call center. A client will not load any application to the server of the center. Into forms are getting only some text data to the server of the client submitted. Such a datatransfer to websites can get done at the lowest speed of a mobile Internet connection. Depending on the used codec from the center and the VoIP provider is additional a bandwidth between 8kBit/sec and 80kBit/sec per seat necessary. A bandwith of 1MBit/sec would be plenty enough for a center with 10 agents.

The scammer Phani Indra / Malladi Phanindra from savebpo.com seems even to be stupid, because I have warned him in a chat about the scam. As everybody can see it in the provided protocol below he agreed with it and continued to post more of his scam campaigns instead of deleting them. The provided timezone is GMT+1:

1:32pm Save Bpo:
Thank you for your caution
Ill look into this
but i see there are 3 centers running this process from 18 months
Can you help me with this ?

1:45pm Rudolf Faix: You can only delete it because it is against the U.S. consumer protection law. Some other option is not possible

1:45pm Save Bpo:
Hmm, Thank you
Well i got partnered with callcentersindia.com and got these projects
Do you think its worth to work with them ?

1:46pm Rudolf Faix: Each inbound project with consumer data is nothing else than scam (countries: Australia, Canada, European Union, U.S.)

1:47pm Save Bpo:
Sorry
with callcenterpartner.com *

1:47pm Rudolf Faix:
That is nothing else than an advanced fee scam. Agents would even not be able to handle it without a few month training
You should know about the law in the different countries before you are offering something

1:49pm Save Bpo: True

1:49pm Rudolf Faix: the only possible and legit campaigns are lead generation

1:50pm Save Bpo: Ill have a look into them

2:13pm Rudolf Faix: callcenterpartner has the campaign not at their homepage. Have I overseen it?

He did even not stop with his copy and paste process from callcenterpartners.com. He even copied the campaign from Deep Blue Marketing where onshore U.S. centers are getting searched. It seems that he thinks that U.S. companies are searching in India or on India websites for campaigns. For this idea you need to have studied, like he has written on his LinkedIn profile, at the Kakatiya University. We all know that intelligence is not commercially acquirable. Without thinking he has copied all campaigns from callcenterpartners.com - even the scam campaigns where data needs to get used, which are protected by law and not one client will give a center access to these data.

The above campaign gets found in the callcentersform.com and rssing.com. With other words the scammer even does not know from where he is copyng the campaigns. The only purpose or the campaign offers is to get an advance fee. That is nothing else than SCAM!!! All actions of the scammer are showing only how lazy he is. Malladi Phanindra / Phani Indra is even too lazy to invent his own campaigns. It seems to be very hard for someone which likes to have studied at an University to use his brain.

Summary

• Not one client will risk to get fined with millions of dollars for giving you access to his customer database. The fine is much higher then the client is able to save on such a project.
  
  
• Uneducated agents are not able to handle such a job
  
  
• Everwhere where you have to pay to get some campaigns you'll get only scammed
  
  
• Fees for the broker or consultant need to get paid from this one, which hires the broker or consultant and not from the company which shall do the work.
  
  
• Real brokers with a contract with a client have to work for the client and not for the center for this the client has to pay them
  
  
• Scammers like Phani Indra / Malladi Phanindra are thinking they can get rich by creating a website and copy and paste from others without any knowledge of the content. They even don't know that not one client is searching for a broker or consultant from abroad!
  For this reason it does not make any sense to create a platform like savebpo.com in India. Not one client will use it.
  
  
• Scammers from India are normally not listed with their sham companies on the site Ministry of Corporate Affairs (http://www.mca.gov.in/DCAPortalWeb/dca/SearchCIN.do). But be aware you can get scammed from listed companies there too.

Domain registration data from savebpo.com:

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