Offshore Outsourcing & Scammer

The following press release shows that the Indian justice system is working together with foreign authorities for stopping Tech Support Scammers. For call centers has it coming more difficult to run such sham campaigns. On the one site they are getting scammed by buying he calls and on the other site the prosecutors are taking action against them. The case shows that victims of such a scam get at least the satisfaction that the scammers are ending up together with their landlords in jail.

Press release of the Prosecutor Osnabrück/Germany from September 5, 2016:

The Osnabrück Prosecutor's Office and the state criminal police in Hannover determine for some time against a group of online fraudsters who apparently operate from India.

The perpetrators explain in English that the user's computer is infected with a virus, the license expired, or the computer other problems having, and they provide the repair of the computer, the renewal of the license or the purchase of a security program to. Certain data from the computer are received from the callers, so that the victim believes that his PC was infected tat neuter. The perpetrators cause then the called one to download a remote control program that allows access to the computer. After allegedly made repairs, the alleged renewal of the license or the alleged uploading of a security program, the offender require a relatively small amount of money via online bank transfer. Once the called one has entered its financial data in a mask, increase the perpetrators the amount of money unnoticed. Victims are asked to pay before the repair amounts between € 180 and 250 by specifying the credit card number or bank transfer via Western Union. In a number of cases it is to get such payments.

In fact, the computer was never infected and in no case the license has been expired.

Refused the called one to pay at all or so much money, the perpetrators delete numerous data on the computer. In some cases, the computer got locked with a password.

The group opering this scam, the so-called Microsoft Technical Support calls, is a global player. In Niedersachsen, Germany, previously could 779 victims got determined. In whole of Germany at least 7647 people got scammed. This is however only to the so-called bright-field. The real figures will be much higher.

Very fast it became clear that the perpetrators are operating from call centers in India.  A international search order took place in May 2016 due to a search warrant of the District Court Osnabrück/Germany and Calcutta in India. At this search was attended by a prosecutor of the Prosecutor Osnabrück from the central office the fight against cybercrime three very experienced officers from the fields of investigation of the State Criminal Office Hannover, legal assistance and technology part. Cooperation with the police officers in India has been very successful. The Cybercrime special police in Calcutta and the Cybercrime nationality-violence in Calcutta supported the German colleagues intensively and competently through international legal assistance. In one of the searched during Operation Call Center 250 work places were found, from which the fraudulent calls got carried out.

According to the investigators fraudulent calls from all workplaces got carried out. The individual call centers were put out of service, all computers got seized. This had an impact on the number of noticeably cases: Immediately after the search, the criminal charges were very noticeably reduced and they have since not significantly risen since this time. According to the investigators, the call centers have been an important base of operations for the fraudulent calls.

7 accused are in India in prison. From these are 2 persons landlords of call centers and the other 5 are their operators. Prosecutors in Calcutta has opened a so-called mirror case and charged based on the information from the German authorities before an Indian court against the perpetrators.

I have described at my article Scammer: Apostotlebpo.In - Kshitij Tripathi - Gaurav Sharma how the centers are getting scammed. Here I describe now the way how a scammer tries to get campaigns which he can sell to others without doing some work by himself. A lot of people are dreaming about such an income possibility.

His standard answer "Nobody is paying for shit leads" is nothing else than a self protection. If he would run a real business he would provide a list of the leads together with the reason why the lead is a bad one. As scammers are lazy and everybody can see it in the Skype conversations, which I had with Kshitij Tripathi during one year where he is even too lazy to forward any proofs. He even don't try to get his money back by using the authorities, which he says that he got scammed for. This fact shows that he has only invented the stories and is not able to provide any proof for anything.

After publishing this article Kshitij Tripathi tried to defend himself at LinkedIn. By commenting he has forgotten that he declared himself in the Skype communication with me to be nothing else than a liar:

Kshitij Tripathi

i have proofs of centers of your country ryan valenzuela those are working for me more than one year and they know i how i work still nothing matters lol, keep going i am enjoying

For the case that the above statement is not a lie for protecting himself (each proof is missing), then Kshitij Tripathi has lied in the following Skype communication with me, where he tried to make the impression of having a call center. In any case has Kshitij Tripathi confirmed that he is nothing else than a liar. A liar can never be a trusted business partner.

The following Skype communication with Kshitij Tripathi aka KT Robby (Skype: kt.robby) shows the way how he likes to get campaigns for his man-in-the-middle "business". The problem is only that he even don't know how a call center business is functioning and he repeats the same invented story again and again. He thinks that he can even sell some scammer stories to me. It seems that he even don't know that I need only to open the website from LinkedIn or Facebook and pick any random offer to get a source for a new article about a scammer. He has been even too lazy or not able to send me any proof for his stories, which he repeated every time he contacted me on Skype.

[26.04.2015 03:51:53] KT Robby: hello
[26.04.2015 03:51:54] KT Robby: sir
[26.04.2015 06:46:22] *** KT Robby möchte Sie auf Skype hinzufügen

Hi Rudolf Faix, I'd like to add you as a contact. ***
[26.04.2015 06:58:18] *** Rudolf Faix hat Kontaktdetails mit KT Robby ausgetauscht. ***
[26.04.2015 08:03:33] KT Robby: hey
[26.04.2015 08:03:58] Rudolf Faix: Good morning
How are you?
[26.04.2015 08:04:17] KT Robby: morning sir
[26.04.2015 08:04:20] KT Robby: i am good
[26.04.2015 08:05:43] KT Robby: well i am looking for campaign just to extend my business, right we are running us based outbound campaign
[26.04.2015 08:06:28] Rudolf Faix: I'm not a campaign broker. I only put scammer on the grill and good offers into the spotlight
[26.04.2015 08:06:39] KT Robby: okay
[26.04.2015 08:06:44] KT Robby: sorry abt dt
[26.04.2015 08:06:59] KT Robby: so any NPO is in your contact
[26.04.2015 08:07:49] Rudolf Faix: Take a look into my blog there you can find some details including contact details in the menu "Fair business partners"
[26.04.2015 08:07:55] KT Robby: i know a sacam,er , u wanna catch him
[26.04.2015 08:08:27] KT Robby: its will be biggest scam of usa
[26.04.2015 08:08:38] Rudolf Faix: If you can document the scam, then you can forward the proves to my email rudolffaix@gmail.com
[26.04.2015 08:09:48] KT Robby: hez running long distance business from silv communication and saying to custome that i am calling from at&t and verizon and ur monthly telephone bills are going to be cheaper but its not like dt , customer got higher amount of bills
[26.04.2015 08:11:10] Rudolf Faix: That is the difference between promotion and reality. For this the customer needs to complain at the FTC
[26.04.2015 08:11:35] KT Robby: okay
[26.04.2015 08:12:18] Rudolf Faix: I'm hunting this scammer, which are scamming the call centers.
[26.04.2015 08:12:53] KT Robby: wchich scammer
[26.04.2015 08:13:29] Rudolf Faix: Take a look at https://blog.wwpa.com/category/Scammer-Exposed
[26.04.2015 08:13:44] KT Robby: okay
[26.04.2015 08:14:10] Rudolf Faix: There you have all my victims collected
[26.04.2015 08:14:20] KT Robby: alright
[26.04.2015 08:14:52] KT Robby: wat d best i can do i can give u d only rec of customer and agent
[26.04.2015 08:15:46] KT Robby: one recording when they will be saying to customer that nothing will be change nothing will be charge and in the other rec their international and long distance calls are going high
[26.04.2015 08:15:52] KT Robby: and its b to b campaign
[26.04.2015 08:15:59] KT Robby: very highlighted sam
[26.04.2015 08:16:03] Rudolf Faix: You see like I have documented the scam. So I need a link to their profile and to their offer. You should provide also the emais or skype protocols where you got scammed.
[26.04.2015 08:16:31] KT Robby: i dunn want my name plzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[26.04.2015 08:17:28] Rudolf Faix: That can be made invisible. Take a look as I have made names invisible too at some screenshots.
[26.04.2015 08:17:53] KT Robby: okay
[26.04.2015 08:17:58] KT Robby: any reward
[26.04.2015 08:18:24] Rudolf Faix: No, because I'm not earning something by putting scammer on the grill
[26.04.2015 08:18:39] KT Robby: okay
[26.04.2015 08:18:54] Rudolf Faix: It is only my hobby and a revenge for a friend, which needed to close his center for getting scammed
[26.04.2015 08:19:44] KT Robby: here the client and the centre both are scamming customers
[26.04.2015 08:21:13] Rudolf Faix: I reach only centers and not the clients. The centers are mostly not knowing what they are selling and if the promises getting kept. In this case the only the client is responsible for his campaign
[26.04.2015 08:21:59] Rudolf Faix: The centers are only responsible if they could know about the scam. This is the case with the Windows Pop Up calls
[26.04.2015 08:22:21] KT Robby: i told u this rest of depend n you sir
[26.04.2015 08:22:29] KT Robby: its a veri big scam
[26.04.2015 08:22:39] KT Robby: i can send u d rec if u wants
[26.04.2015 08:22:43] KT Robby: dan u can think
[26.04.2015 08:22:54] Rudolf Faix: Please send me the details
[26.04.2015 08:23:17] KT Robby: okay
[26.04.2015 08:23:44] KT Robby: but plzzz centre owner knows me so i dunn need my name
[26.04.2015 08:24:19] Rudolf Faix: I'll hide your name in by publishing the scam
[26.04.2015 08:27:28] KT Robby: ok
[26.04.2015 08:28:00] KT Robby: so can u plz suggest any npo for this because its my aim to run a npo campaign plzzz
[26.04.2015 08:28:19] KT Robby: u can take it as a reward if u dunn mind,, sir
[26.04.2015 08:28:35] KT Robby: i know a guy may be u also know him
[26.04.2015 08:28:50] KT Robby: npo name is TELECARE
[26.04.2015 08:29:04] Rudolf Faix: As I have written before, take a look into the menu "Fair Business Partners" of my blog. What is published there is available.
[26.04.2015 08:29:57] KT Robby: ok
[26.04.2015 08:30:06] KT Robby: let me take a look , sir
[26.04.2015 08:30:08] Rudolf Faix: I did not find more then the offered campaigns there
[26.04.2015 08:30:59] Rudolf Faix: The contact details are in each article included
[26.04.2015 08:31:11] KT Robby: ok sir

Like I mentioned before, I did not get any email from him about the scam. For this reason is it for me only a fairy tale.

[27.04.2015 05:08:08] KT Robby: hello sir
[27.04.2015 05:08:39] KT Robby: thnak u for mopening my eyes , in was going to do business with jo soft technologioes with inbound campaign
[27.04.2015 05:08:42] Rudolf Faix: Good morning
How are you?
[27.04.2015 05:08:51] KT Robby: i am okay sir
[27.04.2015 05:09:37] KT Robby: did u scam jo soft technologoes .,, right
[27.04.2015 05:10:09] KT Robby: did u car-tch dam
[27.04.2015 05:10:09] Rudolf Faix: No. I reported them only
[27.04.2015 05:10:31] KT Robby: they ae offerine me for inbound campIGN
[27.04.2015 05:10:43] KT Robby: asking me 10 lakh money
[27.04.2015 05:11:00] Rudolf Faix: each upfront is only a scam
[27.04.2015 05:11:07] KT Robby: okay sir
[27.04.2015 05:11:15] Rudolf Faix: Take a look into my blog under scammer
[27.04.2015 05:11:22] Rudolf Faix: there you find them listed
[27.04.2015 05:11:23] KT Robby: i just look out
[27.04.2015 05:11:28] KT Robby: dts why i asked u
[27.04.2015 05:11:38] KT Robby: thanku so much i just addedc with u
[27.04.2015 05:11:50] KT Robby: otherwise i was losting my money
[27.04.2015 05:11:50] Rudolf Faix: you are welcome
[27.04.2015 05:12:26] KT Robby: hows kathy enteprises for time warner telecom to run b to b campaign for long distance
[27.04.2015 05:12:57] Rudolf Faix: Kathy sisks is a good broker
[27.04.2015 05:13:12] KT Robby: okay
[27.04.2015 05:14:04] KT Robby: can i deal with her
[27.04.2015 05:14:21] Rudolf Faix: Yes, there is no risk
[27.04.2015 05:14:43] KT Robby: thanku so much
[27.04.2015 05:14:51] KT Robby: i send u d rec.
[27.04.2015 05:14:57] KT Robby: give me ur mail id
[27.04.2015 05:15:11] Rudolf Faix: rudolffaix@gmail.com
[27.04.2015 05:15:25] KT Robby: send u wait
[27.04.2015 05:15:52] KT Robby: can u plz suggest kathy for campaign, trust me we can un good
[27.04.2015 05:16:23] KT Robby: its a big scam
[27.04.2015 05:16:35] Rudolf Faix: I have listed Kathy Sisks in the Fair Business Partners
[27.04.2015 05:17:04] KT Robby: company name is SILV communication, united telecom, they just outsorced the campaign in India
[27.04.2015 05:17:24] KT Robby: they are scamiiing usa people for the last 8n yeas
[27.04.2015 05:17:50] Rudolf Faix: OK, are they using the Kathy Sisk Campaigns?
[27.04.2015 05:19:13] KT Robby: noppp
[27.04.2015 05:19:22] Rudolf Faix: OK
[27.04.2015 05:19:28] KT Robby: they got personal long distance campaign
[27.04.2015 05:19:38] KT Robby: can i call u, if u dunn mind
[27.04.2015 05:20:20] Rudolf Faix: Here is it early in the morning and my family is still sleeping. It is 5:20am
[27.04.2015 05:20:42] KT Robby: okay
[27.04.2015 05:20:48] KT Robby: no issue , sir
[27.04.2015 05:21:08] Rudolf Faix: I don't like to wake them up. Later you can call me
[27.04.2015 05:21:20] KT Robby: right now i am working with MAKO Marketing LLC for Diabetics
[27.04.2015 05:21:31] KT Robby: can u plz tell me how sthey guys
[27.04.2015 05:21:40] KT Robby: clieny=t nam eis Omar Solari
[27.04.2015 05:21:45] Rudolf Faix: I don't know them
[27.04.2015 05:22:45] Rudolf Faix: You can check their offers by the provided list: https://blog.wwpa.com/post/scam-and-scammer-how-to-identify-them
[27.04.2015 05:25:03] KT Robby: but you make a update for kathy sisk for medical compensation for scameers
[27.04.2015 05:25:11] KT Robby: what does it means
[27.04.2015 05:25:49] Rudolf Faix: I did not make an update
[27.04.2015 05:26:05] KT Robby: ok
[27.04.2015 05:26:23] KT Robby: u can check
[27.04.2015 05:26:54 | Bearbeitet 05:27:09] Rudolf Faix: There is only a ping back for a link. 2 campaigns can get combined
[27.04.2015 05:27:36] KT Robby: ok
[27.04.2015 05:27:46] Rudolf Faix: Time Warner and Call Save USA can get combined
[27.04.2015 05:28:01] Rudolf Faix: Where do you see the update?
[27.04.2015 05:28:58] KT Robby: so i can work with kathy for time warner
[27.04.2015 05:29:07] Rudolf Faix: yes

In the above communication Kshitij Tripathi proofs that he is even not able to use Google for searching and verifying offers. He even has been thinking that I'll do it for him for the reason that he is too lazy for it. Instead of taking a look at the provided links he thinks that it easier to ask me for campaigns on Skype.

[06.05.2015 12:13:15] KT Robby: hello sir
[06.05.2015 12:13:16] KT Robby: der
[06.05.2015 12:13:47] Rudolf Faix: Good afternoon
[06.05.2015 12:13:56] Rudolf Faix: How are you?
[06.05.2015 12:14:08] KT Robby: i am doing great sir, what about you
[06.05.2015 12:14:23] Rudolf Faix: Thanks, I'm ok too
[06.05.2015 12:14:45] KT Robby: actually i just send an offical mail to kathy sisk regarding the campaign but still i ahvnt got any reply
[06.05.2015 12:15:27] Rudolf Faix: I have not more information from them as I have published
[06.05.2015 12:15:39] KT Robby: okay
[06.05.2015 12:15:58] KT Robby: any new updates for the genuine clients
[06.05.2015 12:16:17] Rudolf Faix: In this case I would publish them
[06.05.2015 12:17:38] Rudolf Faix: I see only that the NDA from Kathy Sisk got 150 times downloaded until now. That are a lot of requests
[06.05.2015 12:18:04] KT Robby: so i need to work with kathy, correct
[06.05.2015 12:18:30] Rudolf Faix: If you not find some better campaigns
[06.05.2015 12:18:53] KT Robby: ok sir
[06.05.2015 12:19:33] Rudolf Faix: I only list the good offers. I don't have anything from it.
[06.05.2015 12:20:55] KT Robby: tnku so much, i was just requesting you kindly if u can forward a mail from your side on the behalf of me for campaign so that will be my pleasure on working with kathy sisk and i will also help you in finding scammers
[06.05.2015 12:21:40] Rudolf Faix: I have no influence to Kathy Sisks
[06.05.2015 12:22:12] Rudolf Faix: or another person from my blog. I make this only for not getting bored during my retirement
[06.05.2015 12:22:39] KT Robby: ok but u know the point is that they are many appoinmnet for centres reach to kathy
[06.05.2015 12:23:02] Rudolf Faix: Yes, I know it from the downloads from my blog

Depending the on the way he tried to get campaigns from a real broker like Kathy Sisk Enterprises, he will get an answer or not. Normally are marketing agencies not entertaining some campaign brokers from abroad. There are so many call centers available, which are searching for some campaigns that there is no need to hire some people for reselling their campaigns. Campaigns are for call centers free of charge. There is no need to pay for someone, who is only additional announcing real campaigns.

[06.05.2015 12:39:42] KT Robby: hey
[06.05.2015 12:40:24] KT Robby: i ahve got a scammer , i am sendind details in your mail with there ip and everything, i just personally chat with her, she was trying to scam me
[06.05.2015 12:41:00] Rudolf Faix: ok, send it to rudolffaix@gmail.com
[06.05.2015 12:42:17] KT Robby: rfx53@gmx.at
[06.05.2015 12:42:23] KT Robby: sir this is your mail id
[06.05.2015 12:43:40] Rudolf Faix: you can send it to rfx53@gmx.at too
[06.05.2015 12:47:37] KT Robby: i just send u all the details in your rudolffaix@gmail.com check out
[06.05.2015 12:47:54] Rudolf Faix: ok
[06.05.2015 12:56:24] Rudolf Faix: Typical scam from Africa. In this case from Senegal
[06.05.2015 12:56:41] KT Robby: yup
[06.05.2015 12:56:44] KT Robby: from senegal
[06.05.2015 12:57:11] KT Robby: she was trying to scam asking for money
[06.05.2015 12:57:17] KT Robby: its a big one
[06.05.2015 12:57:46] KT Robby: actually my brother is working for indian cyber security
[06.05.2015 12:57:47] Rudolf Faix: This scam is already known since 20 years
[06.05.2015 12:57:53] KT Robby: okay
[06.05.2015 12:58:10] KT Robby: so we just report to cyber cell also
[06.05.2015 12:58:37] Rudolf Faix: Sure, you can report it where ever you like
[06.05.2015 12:58:58] Rudolf Faix: Mostly is sent from hacked email accounts

This time he got really a scam email, but this emails are getting sent out in masses and everybody on the Internet knows this kind of scam already and it did not have anything to do with call centers.

Now it is coming interesting:

[29.08.2015 05:39:46] KT Robby: hello sir
[29.08.2015 05:39:50] KT Robby: how are you
[29.08.2015 05:39:54] KT Robby: i need your help
[29.08.2015 06:34:28] Rudolf Faix: Good morning
Please write your questions
[29.08.2015 06:42:10] KT Robby: sir i was working with mako marketing lls and they tuk my $3515 and get sales of one and half month and blamed me that i am editing the calls
[29.08.2015 06:42:45] Rudolf Faix: Is mako marketing an Indian company?
[29.08.2015 06:42:51] KT Robby: i am really a poor boy any how i started my business just to take rent from my friendz so i was not aware of the rules of paypal
[29.08.2015 06:42:56] KT Robby: its usa company
[29.08.2015 06:43:30] Rudolf Faix: Real USA or only an US address?
[29.08.2015 06:43:44] Rudolf Faix: Check it with the IP addresses of the emails
[29.08.2015 06:44:13] KT Robby: so in the beginning paypal hold my payment so i thought no problem they told me to reverse the payment to the person to whom you are getting payment so i refund my four months payment and he took my whole payment az i make solution of getting payment
[29.08.2015 06:44:47] KT Robby: this is us company a famous company of boca raton , florida
[29.08.2015 06:44:59] KT Robby: omar solari and italo solari both are brothers
[29.08.2015 06:45:14] Rudolf Faix: I don't know this company, but you can file a complaint at the FTC
[29.08.2015 06:45:46] KT Robby: i reqiested him a lot that please refund my those payments wchich you already been paid but he started saying i am talking to my client and all rubbish and dan he blocked me
[29.08.2015 06:45:57] Rudolf Faix: Omar and Italo are not US names.Omar is Arabic. Italo I have never heard
[29.08.2015 06:46:00] KT Robby: you can search www.makomarketing .net
[29.08.2015 06:46:21] KT Robby: yes they are spainish and living in usa trust me
[29.08.2015 06:47:10] KT Robby: please help me because you are the only one who can help me ;; i want to amke a successful person but he stopped my dreams and everything finish
[29.08.2015 06:48:20] KT Robby: my family and no1 is supporting me only i know hw i am survivng ;; i reuuested hima lot that please refund my paymnet wchich you already been paid to em ;ll you already have tuk sales of one and half month dunn give me that payment but he denied and started telling me false promises
[29.08.2015 06:49:07] Rudolf Faix: one moment
[29.08.2015 06:49:40] Rudolf Faix: File your complaint at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
[29.08.2015 06:49:46] KT Robby: whenhe knews that now i got solution of getting $3515 dan on the next day he told me that you were editing the calls and started forcing mem
[29.08.2015 06:49:57] KT Robby: am i will be getting any response on this isr
[29.08.2015 06:50:00] KT Robby: sir
[29.08.2015 06:50:37] Rudolf Faix: You have only the chance to get the case solved if you are filing a complaint at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
[29.08.2015 06:50:56] KT Robby: okay
[29.08.2015 06:51:03] KT Robby: and you cnat do nothing
[29.08.2015 06:51:55] Rudolf Faix: I can only list them as a scammer. This will not bring your money back
[29.08.2015 06:53:05] Rudolf Faix: You need to send your proves to the FTC. They will make a decision on it. It is cheaper to file it by yourself to the FTC than to hire an attorney
[29.08.2015 06:53:16] KT Robby: but please list them they are millionaire one if they gave my little money nothing gone of dam ;; i know how much i work hard and they destroyed my dreams and due to dam
[29.08.2015 06:53:30] KT Robby: can i call you for a while sir
[29.08.2015 06:53:48] Rudolf Faix: My Internet is slow at the moment
[29.08.2015 06:54:02] KT Robby: ok
[29.08.2015 06:55:06] Rudolf Faix: This guy can help you too:
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[29.08.2015 06:55:41] Rudolf Faix: He is advertising "If an US client owns you money I can help"
[29.08.2015 06:55:52] Rudolf Faix: He helped already a few centers

For the case that he got really scammed from Mako Markeing LLC, then he did not make any background check about his client. In this case it seems that he has trusted only to the explanations from Omar and Italo Solari. Not one real millionaire will tell you that he is a millionaire. If he would have made a simple Google search he would have found at least one red flag about them in the Call Centers Forum:

User: JackJill
Date: 24-04-2014, 12:43 PM
I want to spread this info: Blacklist Mako Marketing LLC operated by Italo Solari and Omar Solari. These guys are fraud. They will not honor their payment obligations to call centers. Spread the word. The international call center community should be warned against them. Do not trust them. I will not waste my time with this if we were not defrauded by these persons. I just want to warn all other call centers who may be their current or future victims.

It seems that Kshitij Tripathi has been too lazy to make a simple Google search or too credulous.

It even does not help if he repeats his accusations if he will not send me any proof for the scam. Without any offers, links to offers and profile, copy of contracts, etc. I'll not do something, because the complaint can be a fake too and I don't let myself get used for a private war. I told Kshitij Tripathi already during August where he can get some help in his case. It seems that he did nothing because at the authorities he has to provide some proofs too. For this reason I think that he has the case only and tried to repeat his allegations in the month November:

[19.11.2015 22:52:36] KT Robby: hello
[19.11.2015 22:52:46] KT Robby: sir
[20.11.2015 06:01:30] Rudolf Faix: Good morning
How are you?
[20.11.2015 06:06:24] KT Robby: I am doing gr 8 si r
[20.11.2015 06:06:26] KT Robby: howare you
[20.11.2015 06:06:52] Rudolf Faix: I'm ok. Not one scammer tried to kill me until now. :)
[20.11.2015 06:08:11] KT Robby: ohhh
[20.11.2015 06:09:33] Rudolf Faix: From time to time I need some fresh meat for feeding the homeless cats here. Normally I'm putting a scammer on the grill for them. :)
[20.11.2015 06:09:43] KT Robby: ohhh
[20.11.2015 06:09:45] KT Robby: gr8
[20.11.2015 06:09:53] KT Robby: (nazar)
[20.11.2015 06:10:42] KT Robby: do you remember earlier I discussed to you regarding my payment dt I was scammed by usa client named omar c solari owner of mako marketing llc
[20.11.2015 06:11:07] KT Robby: recently he also scammed one more person as I know
[20.11.2015 06:11:25] KT Robby: dancho krisvim ; she discussed to you on behalf of me
[20.11.2015 06:12:18] Rudolf Faix: To write an article about him I need some facts like campaign offer, links to the offers, links to the profile, etc. You can send me these details to rudolffaix@gmail.com
[20.11.2015 06:12:31] KT Robby: ok sir thanks a lot
[20.11.2015 06:12:49] KT Robby: usually he works with 3-4 months and after dy he tuk payment and never send
[20.11.2015 06:14:10] Rudolf Faix: In this case would be copies about payments good too. and about the return request, etc. Everything which is documenting the scam is helpful
[20.11.2015 06:14:56] KT Robby: how he scammed me
[20.11.2015 06:15:31] Rudolf Faix: As more documentation I get from you as easier is it to write an article
[20.11.2015 06:16:30] Rudolf Faix: In the most cases I can see the scam already in the offer, but in some cases I need to get more. It depends on the kind of the scam
[20.11.2015 06:16:43] KT Robby: I was getting payment in my paypal account but anyhow paypal stopped my payment so the payment of whole 4 month was in my paypal account an dthe whle savings around $5000 and paypal toled me you have two options that either you need ot wait for 6 months dan automatically paymen will transfer to your bank account otherwise you can send the payment to the person whom you got
[20.11.2015 06:17:32] KT Robby: and as I send the payment in his paypal account he just said that you were making mistake sin calls and he tuk all my savings
[20.11.2015 06:17:50] KT Robby: and just due t him I am not able to stand up
[20.11.2015 06:18:01] KT Robby: he tuk my all savings
[20.11.2015 06:18:47] Rudolf Faix: The reader,, which are not involved into the details, need to understand it too.

The mail from paypal will help too in documenting the system.

Wh did you not wait the security time from paypal. Why you sent it back?
[20.11.2015 06:19:35] KT Robby: I needed of money cz there were many expenses so I thought I will transfer the funds into his account an di will us eothe rmode for getting the money
[20.11.2015 06:19:45] KT Robby: but he just tuk my whole savings ;; si r
[20.11.2015 06:20:32] Rudolf Faix: That has been to expect. If you are sure that you are right then never send some money back.
[20.11.2015 06:20:43] KT Robby: he is very rich person dan why did he do this ;;; nothing gone on taking my money but everything gone of mine
[20.11.2015 06:21:05] Rudolf Faix: Are you sure that he is a rich person?
[20.11.2015 06:21:14] KT Robby: he is miaalionair e
[20.11.2015 06:21:23] Rudolf Faix: You can even find beggars on the street in Florida
[20.11.2015 06:21:43] Rudolf Faix: You'll find there people sleeping on the street
[20.11.2015 06:21:45] KT Robby: mako marketing llc
[20.11.2015 06:21:56] KT Robby: ths is his company
[20.11.2015 06:22:21] Rudolf Faix: A company does not guarantee an income. You can create a company there for less than Us$100
[20.11.2015 06:22:23] KT Robby: he is running 300+ centres in world
[20.11.2015 06:22:33] Rudolf Faix: Have you verified it?
[20.11.2015 06:22:42] KT Robby: yes
[20.11.2015 06:23:12] Rudolf Faix: Did you call all the centers and he has provided you the phone numbers?
[20.11.2015 06:23:30] KT Robby: yes I have his all the details sir
[20.11.2015 06:24:34] Rudolf Faix: I have in Austria around 2000 phone numbers free, which I can use. If you like you can call me too. Especially I'll enjoy if you are calling me on premium numbers. :)
[20.11.2015 06:25:20] Rudolf Faix: If you like to hear different voices - no problem I can switch you to different call center agent too
[20.11.2015 06:25:24] KT Robby: please help me sir
[20.11.2015 06:25:42] Rudolf Faix: Do you see how the scam works by this example?
[20.11.2015 06:25:49] KT Robby: you are th eone who can help me
[20.11.2015 06:25:53] KT Robby: yes sir
[20.11.2015 06:26:23] Rudolf Faix: I have even phone numbers from the state of NY
[20.11.2015 06:26:31] KT Robby: ok
[20.11.2015 06:26:41] KT Robby: so any solution for getting the money
[20.11.2015 06:26:58] Rudolf Faix: FTC - Federal Trade Commission
[20.11.2015 06:27:05] KT Robby: what they will do
[20.11.2015 06:27:12] KT Robby: there are many cases running on
[20.11.2015 06:27:17] KT Robby: one more will add
[20.11.2015 06:27:44 | Bearbeitet 06:28:07] Rudolf Faix: Your problem is only that you have sent the money back. That means you have agreed with the complaint to Paypal. So your chance to get the money back will be nearly zero
[20.11.2015 06:28:10] KT Robby: but I have prrof of paypal dt I sne dmoney to omar account
[20.11.2015 06:29:22] Rudolf Faix: He made a complaint to paypal. Paypal told him that he need to file a court case. For this they have locked the amount.
You sent the money back and for this he even don't need to file a court case
[20.11.2015 06:29:49] Rudolf Faix: You have given him the money and have accepted the complaint he made at paypal
[20.11.2015 06:30:07] KT Robby: he didn't made any complaint to paypal
[20.11.2015 06:30:25] Rudolf Faix: In this case paypal would not lock the amount
[20.11.2015 06:30:41] KT Robby: can I call you si r
[20.11.2015 06:31:06] Rudolf Faix: Paypal amounts are normally available after a few days you'll receive them.
[20.11.2015 06:31:16] KT Robby: yes
[20.11.2015 06:32:09] KT Robby: I mean I have mail copies of the payment wchich I refund to omar account
[20.11.2015 06:32:17] Rudolf Faix: It does not bring anything to call me. I need to have first the documentation of the case. Without the documentation is everything I can say only speculation
[20.11.2015 06:32:44] KT Robby: he seriously killed me completely
[20.11.2015 06:32:52] KT Robby: just due to him I am not able to stand
[20.11.2015 06:33:00] Rudolf Faix: I have only explained you the right situation and how it is interpreted in front of law court when you send money back to someone
[20.11.2015 06:33:17] KT Robby: so I need ot file complaint to ftc
[20.11.2015 06:33:24] Rudolf Faix: For the situation now you are guilty by yourself
[20.11.2015 06:33:31] KT Robby: yes sir
[20.11.2015 06:33:36] Rudolf Faix: You can file a complaint against him
[20.11.2015 06:33:52] Rudolf Faix: You can take a debt collector
[20.11.2015 06:34:02] Rudolf Faix: That are now your possibilities.
[20.11.2015 06:34:08] KT Robby: how I will get it
[20.11.2015 06:34:30] Rudolf Faix: The chance to get it will be very low because you sent the money back
[20.11.2015 06:35:15] Rudolf Faix: You would be in a better shape if paypal would have taken it back on his complaint
[20.11.2015 06:35:34] KT Robby: but I hve the proof of my paypal wchich I refund to omar paypal account the whole amount an drecs of paypal supervisor in wchich he said payment has been send to his account
[20.11.2015 06:35:59] KT Robby: can paypal take it back again from omar
[20.11.2015 06:36:02] Rudolf Faix: But with this proof you have accepted that you got the amount in an error
[20.11.2015 06:36:09] KT Robby: yes
[20.11.2015 06:36:18] KT Robby: s I will be getting this paymen t
[20.11.2015 06:36:20] Rudolf Faix: No, because you have sent it back already
[20.11.2015 06:36:49] Rudolf Faix: I think you need to proceed to a law court. That will take a lot of time
[20.11.2015 06:37:51] Rudolf Faix: I hope that you have some evidence about your work that you have better chances against him in front of law court. Evidences are for example call recordings
[20.11.2015 06:38:13] KT Robby: and now dze days is der any campaigns providers from your eyes those are working fine and sending payment properly so I ca run my home
[20.11.2015 06:38:20] KT Robby: yes I have all the evidences
[20.11.2015 06:38:31] KT Robby: i have recording on speaking with omar for payment
[20.11.2015 06:38:49] Rudolf Faix: OK, that will help you,
[20.11.2015 06:39:24] KT Robby: so i need to complaint to ftc
[20.11.2015 06:39:25] Rudolf Faix: There is kathysiskenterprises.com, ianmhaines.co.uk
[20.11.2015 06:40:52] Rudolf Faix: Yes, you need to file a complaint to ftc and you can try the service from Steve Mertensmeyer https://www.linkedin.com/in/myrsdebtcollectorsinc
[20.11.2015 06:41:16] KT Robby: i forward him msg on linked but dint get any reply
[20.11.2015 06:41:32] KT Robby: ianmhaines.co.uk
[20.11.2015 06:41:40] KT Robby: dts the name of company
[20.11.2015 06:41:53] Rudolf Faix: That is the link to his homepage
[20.11.2015 06:42:06] KT Robby: ok
[20.11.2015 06:43:28] Rudolf Faix: The email of the debt collector Steve Mertensmeyer is SPMERTENSMEYER@MYRSCREDIT.COM
[20.11.2015 06:43:39] KT Robby: ok si r
[20.11.2015 06:43:46] KT Robby: how is dep blue marketing
[20.11.2015 06:43:54] KT Robby: lars b chriatsnsen
[20.11.2015 06:44:27] Rudolf Faix: He is ok too, His campaigns are promoted on my site as "Fair campaign offers"
[20.11.2015 06:44:38] KT Robby: yes
[20.11.2015 06:44:58] Rudolf Faix: Would I promote a scammer in Fair Campaign offers?
[20.11.2015 06:45:23] KT Robby: no neve r
[20.11.2015 06:45:41] Rudolf Faix: So you have given the answer to your question by yourself
[20.11.2015 06:46:15] KT Robby: yes
[20.11.2015 06:46:49] KT Robby: but i hope you can understand how they cheat people ;; we wrk very hard and he tuk my whole savings
[20.11.2015 06:47:32] Rudolf Faix: Yes, but for writing an article I need to have the documentation to show too.
[20.11.2015 06:47:46] KT Robby: i will give you everything
[20.11.2015 06:48:07] KT Robby: because ei wants everyone know his face cz in every eyes he is very fiar fr payment
[20.11.2015 06:48:22] Rudolf Faix: It is not enough to name someone to be a scammer without any proof. In this case he can bring me in front of the law court
[20.11.2015 06:49:00] Rudolf Faix: In Europe and U,S. is the law working very well
[20.11.2015 06:49:11] KT Robby: ok
[20.11.2015 06:49:25] Rudolf Faix: I cannot simple disappear like the people in India
[20.11.2015 06:49:55] Rudolf Faix: Even if it would be possible, I don't like to start from the beginning again.
[20.11.2015 06:50:39] KT Robby: in india i would like to ask you i am getting many mails for back office campaigns
[20.11.2015 06:50:53] KT Robby: and the consultacies are charging upfront
[20.11.2015 06:51:10] Rudolf Faix: Every upfront is only SCAM
[20.11.2015 06:51:21] KT Robby: so in your views is der any good consultacy in india whom i can deal
[20.11.2015 06:51:32] Rudolf Faix: The client has to pay the broker because he has hired him
[20.11.2015 06:51:33] KT Robby: cz they are giving back office campaigns
[20.11.2015 06:51:49] KT Robby: yes ;; you are right sir
[20.11.2015 06:52:20] Rudolf Faix: No, you'll not find one real broker in India. Not one client will hire a broker from India or another low wage country
[20.11.2015 06:53:47] KT Robby: so is der any person in your knowledge whom i can deal for back office campaigns so i can run my life on track ;; please just help me for this cz you must be aware of these people
[20.11.2015 06:54:12] KT Robby: any back office campign wchich i can get from offshore country from any person wchich you knows
[20.11.2015 06:54:54] Rudolf Faix: There are no back office campaigns available because consumer/customer data are protected by law and nobody will give you access to it
[20.11.2015 06:55:26] KT Robby: okay sir
[20.11.2015 06:56:03] Rudolf Faix: For this reason you'll not find any offer without upfront and upfronts are nothing else than SCAMs
[20.11.2015 06:56:13] KT Robby: and any inbound for you know any bo cz you will be in touch of many big people so i can get
[20.11.2015 06:56:16] KT Robby: yes
[20.11.2015 06:56:41] Rudolf Faix: What can you do with an inbound caller if you not have access to his data?
[20.11.2015 06:57:00] KT Robby: i am talking about inbound campaigns
[20.11.2015 06:57:11] KT Robby: any small campign with 10-20 seaters
[20.11.2015 06:57:33] Rudolf Faix: Yes I know and I have written about an inbound caller!
[20.11.2015 06:58:21] KT Robby: i mean there are many inbound call cntre in indai those are working for usa
[20.11.2015 06:58:28] Rudolf Faix: The same reason why there are no backoffice campaigns available are no inbound campaigns available
[20.11.2015 07:00:16] Rudolf Faix: Not one center from India has an Inbound campaign. Since 1998 is the consumer data protection law available, Each company would get fined with US$ 16,000 per customer record they give you access. AT&T has paid for such a failure US$ 25,000,000 fine
[20.11.2015 07:00:35] Rudolf Faix: Do you think anyone will take such a risk?
[20.11.2015 07:00:57] KT Robby: yes
[20.11.2015 07:01:14] KT Robby: but in new delhi many inbound for uk and usa are running
[20.11.2015 07:01:20] Rudolf Faix: Than you need to search for such an idiot
[20.11.2015 07:01:25] KT Robby: smaal call centres and big centres
[20.11.2015 07:01:32] KT Robby: not like that sor
[20.11.2015 07:01:34] KT Robby: sir
[20.11.2015 07:01:48] Rudolf Faix: UK has fines of € 58,000 per case
[20.11.2015 07:01:53] KT Robby: omg
[20.11.2015 07:02:07] KT Robby: :O
[20.11.2015 07:02:24] Rudolf Faix: So that are nothing else than big lies - the centers which are working on inbound campaigns
[20.11.2015 07:02:58] Rudolf Faix: Remaining Europe (except UK) has fines of € 50,000 per case for giving consumer data out
[20.11.2015 07:05:13] Rudolf Faix: With Europe I mean the European Union. Switzerland is not a member of the European Union, but there the company owner even faces the sieved air in prison for giving consumer data out
[20.11.2015 07:05:30] KT Robby: ok
[20.11.2015 07:05:41] KT Robby: so you mean i can never open an inbound
[20.11.2015 07:06:01] Rudolf Faix: Never because you'll not get access to the data
[20.11.2015 07:06:14] KT Robby: yes sir
[20.11.2015 07:06:19] Rudolf Faix: The only valid and possible campaign is lead generation
[20.11.2015 07:06:29] KT Robby: yes
[20.11.2015 07:06:35] KT Robby: whom i can delal with
[20.11.2015 07:06:45] KT Robby: Kathy sisk and ian haimes
[20.11.2015 07:06:57] Rudolf Faix: I have given you already all the 3 brokers which I know
[20.11.2015 07:07:02] KT Robby: ok sir
[20.11.2015 07:07:08] Rudolf Faix: Lars you have forgotten in your list
[20.11.2015 07:07:16] KT Robby: hahaaaaaaaaaaa
[20.11.2015 07:07:47] Rudolf Faix: Maybe there are some more out there, but I don't know them
[20.11.2015 07:07:59] KT Robby: ok
[20.11.2015 07:09:11] Rudolf Faix: Outsourcing is dead already, So you'll not find a lot of brokers. The scammers and the greediness of the center owners have destroyed the outsourcing industry already
[20.11.2015 07:09:27] KT Robby: yes sir
[20.11.2015 07:09:30] KT Robby: you are right
[20.11.2015 07:09:50] Rudolf Faix: The center have traded their data and for this the law got changed
[20.11.2015 07:10:11] Rudolf Faix: That has been the start of the end from the outsourcing industry
[20.11.2015 07:10:44] Rudolf Faix: More than phone directory data are not available for anybody world wide

The above communication shows only that Kshitij Tripathi has not capable of learning. He even don't try the ways of law, which I suggested to him, for getting the money back. That shows that it is not his own money he has lost and he cannot provide any proofs. He expect that other are doing his work and he needs to take only the money. Afterwards he complaints about getting called to be a scammer.

[25.05.2016 05:50:10] KT Robby: hello gm
[25.05.2016 05:50:11] KT Robby: sir
[25.05.2016 05:50:17] KT Robby: here is kshitij tripathi
[25.05.2016 05:50:33] KT Robby: whom abhishek make post about me regarding his scammer friend arib ahmed khan
[25.05.2016 05:50:36] KT Robby: need tot alk you
[25.05.2016 05:50:43] KT Robby: and elt you knwo the whole stiry
[25.05.2016 05:51:08] KT Robby: thye are blaming my name only reason my friend joe johnson has caught them on doing scamming

I have counted during a Google search in the year 2016 9 complaints from different centers posted on different platforms against the Scammer: apostotlebpo.in - Kshitij Tripathi - Gaurav Sharma in the year 2016. Don't forget that the year 2016 is until now only 6 months old. For a detailed list simple read the article Scammer: apostotlebpo.in - Kshitij Tripathi - Gaurav Sharma. This fact shows us that the scammer is Kshitij Tripathi and not someone else.

Krishna Varma does not know that blackmailing is a crime in each country. It is a pity that he got scammed, but that does not give him the right to become himself a criminal and blackmail others which have nothing to do with his case. He tries even to blackmail people which like to help him. Such a person has never learned something or have visited any school and cannot be a trusted business partner. With other words Krishna Varma did everything wrong what he could do wrong. Instead of asking for help and helping by the investigation he tried to blackmail everybody, which he found. With his try to blackmail others he destroyed every possibility that someone can help him.

If someone enters into a business, which does not bring him the expected profit, then he has the possibility to cancel the contract as soon as he gets it that he does not make any profit or he makes some losses. Blackmailing is not a legal way to correct his own wrong decision.

Krishna Varma from Hyderabad, email: iamkrishnavarma@gmail.com, does not understand how the offshore outsourcing business is functioning. Now he tries to impress with big words, baseless threats and blackmailing legal working companies. He is guilty by himself that he got scammed. He simple did not do his homework by making a background check. The mentioned campaign is for centers free available because the broker gets paid from the client.

That is a pity that he got scammed, but he can only file a case against this one, whom he has paid or he has made a contract and not against someone else. If he has paid any upfront fee then this one, which has taken the money has no contract with the client and would have disappeared already. The campaign itself is available for call centers free of charge and does not require any payments. Brokers and customers from brokers are not getting entertained.

The client will not pay something for that what he is not guilty for the case that he got scammed by the man in the middle method. If Krishna Varma likes to lose more money in such a case, than he can file a court case at the local court of the client. The Supreme Court and the court in India are not responsible for the case he has a contract with an U.S. company. Such a threat shows that Krishna Varma anything from business law. It would be recommended that he consults a good local attorney before he attacks others for his own fails. A cheaper way would be to file a case at the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). The FTC has for this purpose an Complaint Assistant, which can get found at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/.

It is in the US not illegal to hire offshore call centers for calling US customers. Would it be illegal then he liked to be a partner in crime of an illegal activity. He needs to provide victims and proves that called customers got cheated. That will be very difficult for an outsider.

Everybody, who made wrong investments, is guilty by himself. The business is hard and not a playground. Maybe Krishna Varma thinks that he is still playing in the sandpit. If Krishna Varma has made investments without having a valid contract with the client then he is guilty by himself because he did not prove the promises and trusted to the words of the scammer.

I got forwarded the following email with the comment from Robbie Middleton: “I have never seen this name Krishna Varma.”. As I only try to help by listing the scammers without any financial interest I have tried to get in contact with Krishna Varma and asked him to send me the email headers for finding out the scammers. He sent an answer how he felt betrayed, but he did not send one of the email headers, which makes it possible to find the man in the middle. That a man in the middle is exists is fact because he is not known from the client, but he can work.

Instead of delivering the necessary data he tried to attack me too with a baseless complaint where even not proves can get listed and tried to blackmail me too:

http://www.complaintboard.com/rudolf-faix-complaints-l27003.html

 

What is this What the fuck you are doing from peoples Please i have no time to argue with you ok Kindly  tell To robbie to refund my loss pr else i will make you also in the list By a screen shot of your mail

If someone is listing scammer and scams then you'll find revenges wherever some postings are not getting verified. As I'm not offering something or selling something on the Internet I'm not interested in such a case to take any action against such a posting - it would keep me only busy. If someone does not trust me for such a unproved posting than it his problem and not mine. I have not more and not less if someone belives me or not.

Maybe Krishna Varma has been on drugs or drunk as he has written the following email:

From: Krishna Varma [mailto:iamkrishnavarma@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:08 AM
To: middleton
Subject: Fwd: Final Notice For you all TMS/VVT

 

Hello

TMS/VVT

My self i am Krishna Varma  From Hyderabad Leaving near by Your Head Office of VVT .

I have gathered total 19 companies which have been gone loss because of you all and also for your idiotic commissions and VOIP CPD . So here we are gathered and going to file a complaint on India And on the same way at Your place you i think the location of your Judicial Is http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/ and also at http://www.largo.com/department/division.php?structureid=33 and also on India and also in bangladesh and in india total 4 states were ready to put a case on their places and  I know the main Secrets of your business its an illegal to run an BPO Numbers dailling from India and also cheating USA citizens with your Technology.

The Final Conclussion is You have to pay the loss of mines or else i will be go head with all those companies and we all will send you to prison . with complete documentations and posters are also ready to post on your area walls and also in Web and linked IN with complete proofs and conversations of Robbie Vance Donna Dylan And new Guy VVT dont know his name perfectly . even i posted a complaint on your company but no response even a idiot have been commented too i wont leave any . and listen i invested 5 lakhs for systems and salaries of 4 months even i dint paid any uprent to any one i directly contacted to Robbie by seeing add on BPO Friends. 

No more Discussions if you all want to survive cool with your business you have to pay my loss of 3 Lakh because systems are my own no need for that . or else your company will we seased and you all will be in prison . for this even i will spend more 5 Lakhs to do this all. 

If you want you close this issue cool and calm then credit my amount on my account . 

If you wont reply to this mail you will directly get a call . from were the call comes even you wont think .

i am really frustrated with you all i just done for 4 months i have 5 lakhs loss if i do it for 1 year i have to die . if it comes i will die by writing your names and i will mention because of Robbie and Vance i am going to die . 

So clear this issue as soon as possible by this week or else the posts and posters will be going every were and every websites and linked in too... 

And VVT  this message is for the Indian guy you cant understand this tell him to read this 

Hello mr VVT naku ne peru telusu ne vuru telusu me babu garu cheyse pani telusu mariyadhaga nuvu indhulo nunchi thapuko ledu ante ne medha kuda kalipe vestha case motham 24 companies ready ga unnai case veyatanike aa robbie and vance gadi valla naku ochinna nastam 5 lakhs and VOIP baga yekuvga vesthunadu unlimited voip na dagara monthly 500$ ke chesthunna kotha campaigns anni . kani TMS vadu 1350$ for one month ante yearly 1 crore aaa motham motham baitake lagutha nenu yevaro telusukovali anni undhi kada na peru Krishna Varma . na status and na background chupistha . manchiga job cheskuntuunav and freelance lo manchi rating undhi andhuloni ma vurru dagara nundi ochi HYD lo yedo cheskuntunav  chesko kani VVT nunchi thapuko . na dagara proofs tho ready ga unna thatukoleyv direct ga ralengi vellipothav thamudu . 

naku niku ye kakshalu levu kani TMS ekada Indians ne loss chestunaru musti padesthunadu edheyna mana India meda unna respect aaa. 

Voip kavali ante nene estha okka company Voip Kosam valake nenu pay cheskunta . free ga thiskomanu voip charges lekunda bills veyamanu .

Conclusion For this all issues Pay my loss or else Make profits to the centers from now on wards. change your attitude and Way of your Commissions . 

Krishna Varma needs to understand first that he is guilty for his losses by himself. Nobody is pressured into working on this campaign. There are other campaigns without any up-front fees available too. The demand determines the supply. That means if nobody likes to take a campaign then the payment will rise and if many centers like to get this campaign than the payment will come down.

We can compare this case with the following email:

Hello Good day and How are you?
Firstly, I apologize for sending you this sensitive information via E-mail.
I am Mr. George Culmer from Lloyds banking Group United Kingdom.  I saw your
profile and I want to have a Joint Venture with you. You can view my website
and contact me for more details.
http://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/Our-Group/directors/#
PLEASE REPLY ON THIS Email WITH YOUR MOBILE TEL: georgecul042@gmail.comMr.
George Culmer.
Mobile: +44 708 769 1912

The email looks like someone is searching a business partner, but this is only done at the first view. If we take a look at the email headers then we see the source of the email (I have made the source ip bold):

Return-path: <maria@villegaseditores.com>
Envelope-to: someone@somewhere.com
Delivery-date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:28:43 -0400
Received: from [66.132.241.237] (port=42078
helo=server.villegaseditores.com)
        by wdc003.hawkhost.com with esmtps
(TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256)
        (Exim 4.85)
        (envelope-from <maria@villegaseditores.com>)
        id 1ZV3mt-000G6N-2Q
        for someone@somewhere; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:28:43 -0400
Received: (qmail 13411 invoked by uid 48); 27 Aug 2015 05:48:04 -0400
Received: from 41.220.68.246 ([41.220.68.246]) by
 webmail.villegaseditores.com (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 27 Aug 2015
 05:48:03 -0400
Message-ID: <20150827054803.160813uan4n3913n@webmail.villegaseditores.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 05:48:03 -0400
From: George Culmer <maria@villegaseditores.com>
Reply-to: georgecull042@gmail.com
To: undisclosed-recipients: ;
Subject: JOIN VENTURE
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset=ISO-8859-1;
 DelSp="Yes";
 format="flowed"
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9)
X-EsetId: 37303A296EDFC361617D62

If we take now a look at the location of the ip 41.220.68.246 we will find out that the email got sent from:

IP Address	Country	Region	City	ISP
41.220.68.246	Nigeria	Lagos	Lagos	Ip Adddress Assigned To Mtn N Mobile Data Services.

Does anybody think that this location is a trusted source?

Does anyone think that Lloyds Banking Group will refund the losses which you'll make with this scam?

If you are not making any background check in such a case and you'll make business in such a case you'll be guilty by yourself for your losses. If you even don't help any investigation in such a case than you are even stupid and have no chance to get anything back.

This case shows what happens if people try to build up a business without having enough funds and not any knowledge about business. They are promising and making orders in the hope to earn. The result is a big fail. It seems to be in India usual to simple disappear after failing in business. In any case it is a big crime to escape in this way from the responsibility. Such a behavior results in other countries in a prison sentence.

As much as I understand the anger of the call center owner Amith D'Silva that he lost money by this process as much he is guilty by himself too. They started to sell a product in January, which has not been available at this time. In such a case they tried to sell dreams. At this time the alarm bells have to ring already.

If I read the following LinkedIn Pulse article found at https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/beware-arima-app-store-which-fraud-company-amith-d-silva?trk=hb_ntf_MEGAPHONE_ARTICLE_POST, then I get the impression that not one of the participating parties had any knowledge how to build up a business. Even I'm not able to classify them as amateurs. Amateurs have more knowledge about a business than all the participating people including the call center owner. How a call center can promote a product under their own phone numbers and email addresses without any knowledhe how the product is working? How they can handle in such a case complaints from the customers if they are running into failures? The customers are calling this number back from which they got called.

It seems that even the app-store got programmed cheap, quick, dirty and without any knowledge of international standards. Nobody has made any tests of the ready product. An European court would decide in each case to negligent bankruptcy offense and the CEO must be personally liable, since the commercial due diligence has been violated.

The LinkedIn Pulse article shows exactly the fails of both parties:

BEWARE of ARIMA APP STORE which is a Fraud Company

Hey Everyone,
I would like to give you a brief about my worst experience with Arima App Store and would recommend each and everyone to read. The Directors Mr. Pritesh Pradeep Saitwal and Ganesh Dhananjay Godse met Prachin Shirsat in the Train through a friend who were seeking a Call Center for their Project so known as Arima App Store around in September 2014. Prachin then introduces them to Mr. Amith D'Silva Proprietor Of Corona Borealis & Crux Services which is a Call Center based in Jesal Park, Bhayandar (East).

Mr. Ganesh Godse & Mr. Pritesh Saitwal from Arima App Store wanted the calling to be on $10 / Sale on which our company had disagreed since it was a new company and they wanted Leads to be generated and closed. We came upon an agreement on which $4 was decided per hour per seat upon which a mail was sent from Mr. Ganesh Godse on January 08, 2015. In the start Mr. Ganesh had promised the payment would be received within Net 7 days from the Invoice raising.

The process then started on January 15, 2015 and the website was first shown on February 18, 2015 upon which the website was very normal that no Software Developer would have put his application or software with a charge of INR 2000.00 for a lifetime. The script which was supposed to be given by Arima App Store where as it was not produced by Arima App Store. We prepared the Script for Arima App Store where no charges were charged to them and training was given from our end where as Information was only given by Mr. Ganesh Godse. Upon receiving complains from the clients who then told the agents working for Arima App Store that the website is not up to date. Please update the website and then give us a call. Complains were sent to Ganesh in Verbal as well as thru mails. Ganesh then informed us to stop the process on February 06, 2015 upon which we were informed that the first web designer has been changed and he is bringing into the picture a new web designer who will make the website up to date and one of the best. We had a meeting with the Web Designer upon which we discussed the pros and cons of the website. The Project was then put on hold. A call was made to Mr. Ganesh Godse on February 08,2015 to release the first payment. He then informed that he will arrange for the funds along with the February 2015 Payment. We never charged him for the days we kept our center closed due to his Website being updated. We helped him since he was new and was seeking support for his company to grow since he showed us decency.

The project then started on February 20, 2015 upon which the Website was satisfactory and the clients were ready to move ahead and invest but this time they wanted a mail explaining about the website and what are the features. We then informed Mr. Ganesh Godse to prepare the mails on which he prepared a mail with just these words as mentioned below

Hi NAME,
Welcome To Arima Apps Store

Username - Name89
Password - 5898#8

Thanks for joining Arima App Store.

Regards
Arima App Store

The clients then were getting irate on the agents who were calling and we also informed Mr. Ganesh Godse who used to come twice or thrice a week to the office that in this manner we cannot get business in this manner for his company. He then informed us that the web designer does not understand how to make the mail and for him he does not know since he is new and does not have a background about Marketing and Sales. He asked if we could help him and we did send him 6 different mail formats. But they were not published the way we had prepared them and the web designer who say they were professionals were engaged in different issues in the website they were facing due to the website for eg. the mobile number when saved in the database used to show us +1 and then the mobile number of India or some awkward numbers. When we asked Ganesh about the payment he said he will make arrangements on March 15, 2015 as he does not have the funds with him and he has put all the money in the website. The dates were then extended to March 22, 2015 then went to March 28, 2015. The reason he said was he had applied for a loan which was not sanctioned. Then Mr. Ganesh Godse from Arima App Stores came to the office on April 08, 2015 and informed us to stop the calling henceforth and he will try to make arrengements of the payments by April 22, 2015 but to be on a safer side he gave us Cheques Dated May 02, 2015. When asked him how he is making arrangements he said he has given a builder some 12 Lakhs as investment upon which the builder is giving him 9 Lakhs. When asked for the papers he said he will bring it and has never shown. He then called me on the April 30, 2015 requesting me that the funds have not been arranged and to inform all agents not to put the cheque. He said he will arrange the funds and has been giving us dates after dates. The final date was July 25, 2015 upon which he said he will transfer the amount by Saturday July 25, 2015 or Monday July 27, 2015. When I called him from my number he does not answer and when I called him from another number at 11am he picked up the phone and informed that he is on his way to transfer the funds. I informed him to answer the phone but neither he answers the phone neither does he call back. Then at 1pm I call him from another number and he answers the call when I ask him about the money he says give me 10mins and thereafter neither he picked up the calls neither reverted to the messages. A payment of nearly 7 Lakhs is pending. Mr. Ganesh Godse from Arima App Store is not trust worthy in dealing with. I am putting his cheques and also lodging a complain and have informed the same to the agents to do so. This is what we get in return for helping a person and supporting him setting up his company. I have Mails, Screenshots which after lodging a complain will pull him to court. I never wanted all this but since he is not reverting back to my messages, Phone Calls, Mails. The only option left is pull Arima App Store and specially Ganesh Godse to court. He will show you the grass in greener on the other side but when he takes you there it just a desert. Luckily no Investors or No Centers have taken his process otherwise they would have repented like how we are doing. Please be careful Of Arima App Store before investing a rupee. They give false commitments. If you want proofs I can submit.

Proofes from the failed project:

1. Mail as on January 08, 2015

From: Arima Store <arimaapps@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:13 PM
Subject: Sales Process
To: amith.dsilva@live.in

Hi Amith,

 

This email is in the reference to our discussion on sales process of Arima Apps Store

 

 

Arima Profile

Arima Apps is a unique place where users can take advantage of a private online hard disk dedicated to storing, publishing, and sharing, material and Personal content for mobile devices -- including pictures, ringtones, wallpapers, logos, as well as the most appropriate applications for each users' mobile phones. & pc Services provided to the registered users which can be adapted and then sent to Cell Phones throughout the World. Arima app store brings you the wide range of Apps and Games to download from. Which are available to download for OS like Android, iOS, Windows. Currently, Arima Apps provides its Users a web-based online hard disk, dedicated to storing, publishing and sharing material and personal content for Cell Phones (ie applications, pictures, games, utilities, logos, ringtones, images and audio executable files). Arima Apps Users may save, share and distribute their personal files over the Web, via Mobile, and to virtually any Cell Phone in the World. Users enjoy the use of a private area to save their material. User content can be kept private or can be made available to the entire Arima Apps community, depending on the wishes of the posting User. Arima Apps provides a Service for storing, publishing, managing and sharing personal mobile content for all Cell Phones – regardless of Cell Phone manufacturer and wireless service provider. Personal mobile content on Arima Apps public area can also be downloaded to any PC and mobile device.

Opportunity for Call Center

The Distribution of Wealth Across iOS and Android Apps, July 31, 2012

The iTunes App Store and Google Play now offer more than 600,000 apps each.  And Apple’s most recent earnings call revealed that the company has paid out more than $5.5 billion to developers since the launch of the App Store.

Let’s start with market growth. Likewise, premium and in-app purchase revenue is increasing at a rate of 50%,from $4.5 billion in 2011 to $6.7 billion in 2012

 

Depending on what source you use there are anywhere from 5 to 6 billion mobile subscribers worldwide. Many of these subscribers are using apps every day. This is the perfect time to start your very own marketing business in apps and apps store. We are bringing this Opportunity for call centers.

 

1. We are outsourcing $4 per hr/seat

2. Minimum require area 500 square feet commercial

3. Seating arrangement minimum 07

4. Contract of 11 months

5. Daily Target of 5 sales per agent

 

Role of Call Center

 

Distribute Apps | Android Developers

 Apps on Arima Store

The most amazing platform in the world for uploading Android/IOS/Windows apps. Cloud-connected and always synced, it's never been easier for users to find and download apps...

It’s quick and easy to register and begin distributing apps on Arima Store.

 

Before you begin

There is a onetime $34 registration fee charged for Arima Store Developer Console account. We charge this fee to encourage higher quality products on Arima Store (ie. less products with SPAM).

Developer must be located in a supported country to distribute apps on Arima Store. There are additional requirements to sell apps on Arima Store.

 

Registering as a Developer

Log in to the Arima account that will act as the Account Owner for your Developer Account.

Visit the Developer Console signup page to begin registration.
During registration, must accept Developer Distribution Agreement to continue. If account has previously been in violation of this agreement, you cannot register as Arima store Developer.

Pay the registration fee using a valid payment method.

Fill out account details, including your Developer Name. This is the name that is displayed on the Arima apps Store.

Please note that it may take up to 48 hours for your Arima Store Developer Console registration to be fully processed

 

Thanks

Arima Team

 

2. Process Was Kept On Hold from February 08,2015 Till February 20, 2015 

Reason : The Website was not up to date and was not looking professional. When we were calling the clients they just saw the website and said they were not interested. Even the mails which was sent to the clients were as follows

 

Hi NAME,

                 Welcome To Arima Apps Store

 

Username - Name89

Password - 5898#8

 

Thanks for joining Arima App Store.

 

Regards

Arima App Store

 

Mr. Ganesh Godse (Arima App Store) informed us that he has changed the Web Developer and given the Web Designing work to a company called Aabit Soft and the web designer also came to our office to make an inquiry as too what the clients were saying to make the website perfect. Hence the process was closed till February 21, 2015. When we asked about the payment he said he was short on cash and hence invested all his money in the website work. He informed us he would give January and February Billing together by the 15th Of March 2015.

 

3. Process Started on February 21, 2015

 

4. Whatsapp Proof from 20th February 2015 (Part is in English and part is in Hindi).

 

20/02/15 9:39:03 am: Ganesh Godse: www.chupamobile.com

 

21/02/15 9:59:47 am: Ganesh Godse: aane ke liye der hogi muze.. ek meeting hai wo khtam karake aaunga 2 baje tak

 

21/02/15 9:59:51 am: Ganesh Godse: sorry

 

03/03/15 10:06:05 am: Ganesh Godse: Not able to come today because of illness

 

05/03/15 10:08:39 am: Ganesh Godse: Not able to today becouse of some meeting with investers in pune.. call center panel and mail things wil take time to done it wil be done on saturday night..

 

05/03/15 11:00:11 am: Ganesh Godse: Mail ka jaam 3 baje tak ho jayega

 

07/03/15 3:00:19 pm: Ganesh Godse: Yes we can send the mail now .. I wil cl in hr send mails at night

 

07/03/15 3:00:31 pm: Ganesh Godse: And also I wil send data

 

09/03/15 11:11:15 am: Ganesh Godse: Amith sir payment ka nahi ho pa raha hai arragement.. aap is month me arrange kar lo agale mahine ke 26-27 tak ho jayega humari taraf se

 

14/03/15 11:40:21 am: Ganesh Godse: W m will be late .. wil come at 5 pm

 

19/03/15 9:28:49 am: Ganesh Godse: Will come at 4 pm

 

25/03/15 5:42:28 pm: Ganesh Godse: Devloper no-8898517323

 

30/03/15 10:12:00 am: Amith D'Silva: Surendra - +91-7208-0158-70

Reema - +91-7208-0158-74

Bharti - +91-7208-0158-77

 

30/03/15 10:13:37 am: Amith D'Silva: Call our Customer Service on +91-7208-0158-70/78

 

07/04/15 10:28:40 am: Amith D'Silva: Please give me some good news abt the cash

 

07/04/15 4:50:08 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kabhi tak aa rahe ho

 

07/04/15 4:51:32 pm: Amith D'Silva: They are asking me abt the money continuously and secondly abt the mails

 

07/04/15 5:22:33 pm: Ganesh Godse: Aaj nahi ho paraha ammount ka sir mai kuch solution nikal ke aap ko cl karata hu thodi der me

 

07/04/15 5:24:18 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kitna ho paa raha hai

 

07/04/15 5:24:38 pm: Amith D'Silva: 50k ho sakta hai

 

07/04/15 5:24:54 pm: Amith D'Silva: Unko Feb ka dekhe shaant kara du

 

07/04/15 5:25:12 pm: Amith D'Silva: Unke ghar se bahut problem ho raha hai

 

07/04/15 5:25:34 pm: Amith D'Silva: Unlog ne mere kehne pe 7 tarik bola tha ghar waalo ko

 

07/04/15 9:16:42 pm: Ganesh Godse: I have sent you mail please check out

 

07/04/15 10:07:19 pm: Amith D'Silva: Where r u.

 

07/04/15 10:07:34 pm: Amith D'Silva: I am waiting for u in the office

 

07/04/15 10:23:10 pm: Amith D'Silva: Aa rahe ho ki nahi... Ye tou batao.

 

07/04/15 10:23:33 pm: Amith D'Silva: I have called the people for the cash

 

07/04/15 10:23:43 pm: Amith D'Silva: It is better if u talk

 

10/04/15 3:10:23 pm: Ganesh Godse: 2bdf4d94ab963da747de6139c2012393.jpg <attached>

 

10/04/15 3:10:46 pm: Ganesh Godse: 14fdf20a8e0097dc8959d5a5e0b390bc.jpg <attached>

 

10/04/15 3:11:34 pm: Ganesh Godse: 70de010a77c9bfcff218d1017608c69c.jpg <attached>

 

10/04/15 3:11:55 pm: Amith D'Silva: Picture blurr hai

 

10/04/15 3:12:05 pm: Amith D'Silva: Nazar nahi aa raha hai properly

 

10/04/15 3:12:29 pm: Ganesh Godse: Clear nahi aa rahi mai mail karata hu

 

10/04/15 3:12:35 pm: Amith D'Silva: Ok

 

10/04/15 3:12:56 pm: Amith D'Silva: Aap ki taraf se kuch hua payment ka

 

10/04/15 3:13:07 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kitna tak aap kar sakte ho

 

10/04/15 3:13:38 pm: Ganesh Godse: Abhi muze be jarurat hai 20000 ka

 

10/04/15 3:13:50 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kyuki agents ke ghar pe bahut problem ho rahi hai

 

10/04/15 3:14:00 pm: Ganesh Godse: Mera to loan ka aayega tabhi hoga

 

10/04/15 3:14:39 pm: Amith D'Silva: Woh tou problem hai ab waqt nahi hai

 

10/04/15 3:27:14 pm: Amith D'Silva: Mail bhej diya

 

10/04/15 9:53:02 pm: Ganesh Godse: Car ka nahi ho payega Amitsir

 

11/04/15 9:43:10 am: Amith D'Silva: Kitne baaje tak a rahe ho

 

11/04/15 9:43:23 am: Ganesh Godse: 11.30

 

11/04/15 9:44:10 am: Amith D'Silva: 10000 tak cash ho paayenga aap se

 

11/04/15 9:45:27 am: Ganesh Godse: Nahi ho payega sir

 

11/04/15 9:45:56 am: Amith D'Silva: Chaalo thik hai

 

11/04/15 9:46:46 am: Ganesh Godse: Mai chek leke aata hu 2 tarikh ka unko bol do sir

 

11/04/15 9:47:24 am: Amith D'Silva: Woh tou aapke saamne baat karta hu

 

12/04/15 11:03:26 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kya hua phone kiya tha

 

12/04/15 11:03:48 pm: Amith D'Silva: Maine 2 baar phone kiya tha aapne jawab nahi diya

 

02/05/15 7:52:54 am: Ganesh Godse: Cl me

 

02/05/15 7:53:00 am: Ganesh Godse: Kal kaam nahi hua

 

02/05/15 7:53:53 am: Ganesh Godse: Jaldi hone ke kuch chances bhi nahi hai aur 2-3din idhar rehake dekhata hu kya hota hai

 

02/05/15 9:53:51 am: Ganesh Godse: Please inform to employees do not deposit heir cheques in bank

 

02/05/15 10:03:39 am: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji sab ko paise ki zaroorat hai. Reema ko chennai jaana hai 5 tarik ko. Vo paisa maang rahi thi. Mujhe bhi pressure aa raha hai. Aap 2 ya 3 fin mat karo yaha pe 1.5 months ho gaya hai. Dusri taraf project mil raha hai par le nahi sakta kyuki rolling ke liye paise nahi hai

 

02/05/15 10:03:55 am: Amith D'Silva: Center chalo karoo tou kaise

 

02/05/15 10:04:56 am: Amith D'Silva: Sab bills chukta karoonga tou hi center chaloo kar sakta hu

 

02/05/15 2:19:31 pm: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji Reema ka daddy nahi sunn rahe hai woh bol rahe hai woh cheque daalne jaa raha hai aur bounce ho gay woh office ke yaha pe aake tamasha kar denga

 

02/05/15 2:20:11 pm: Amith D'Silva: Mein nahi jaanta aap kuch karo kyuki har jagah mera naam kharab ho raha hai

 

02/05/15 2:20:58 pm: Amith D'Silva: Unki baat bhi sahi thi kitne mahine se paisa atak gaya hai

 

02/05/15 2:22:57 pm: Amith D'Silva: Ab kuch jyaada pressure aa raha hai

 

03/05/15 12:39:35 am: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji kisi bhi halat mein mujhe kal tak paisa karke de dou ek tou reema ke dad ke saath mera muh ki boli ho gayi aur woh aa rahe hai office mein hungama karne. Mein kyu apna company ka ya area mein apna naam kharaab karoo

 

07/05/15 8:04:54 am: Ganesh Godse: Amit sir mai abhi bhi pune me hu .. aap jab free ho cl karana

 

07/05/15 8:04:54 am: Ganesh Godse: I Want to talk to you

 

08/05/15 2:15:47 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kya hua kal call kiya tha par aap meeting mein busy teh

 

08/05/15 2:16:09 pm: Amith D'Silva: Phone karke information tou de dou

 

08/05/15 2:16:21 pm: Amith D'Silva: Idhar har din tension badh raha hai

 

08/05/15 2:16:53 pm: Amith D'Silva: Aaj aapko phone kiya toh mobile switch kar diya aapne

 

08/05/15 2:17:18 pm: Amith D'Silva: Please call karo mujhe

 

08/05/15 2:42:42 pm: Ganesh Godse: Baat chal rahi hai abhi tak final nahi hua jaise he hota hai mai bata dunga

 

08/05/15 2:44:32 pm: Amith D'Silva: Kal aaye teh meter leke jaane ke liye Reliance waale aur bole ki bill nahi bara tou ek saath connection kat denge aur reconnection ke liye Santacruz jaana padenga

 

08/05/15 2:44:44 pm: Amith D'Silva: Problems bahut badh gayi hai

 

12/05/15 6:53:28 am: Ganesh Godse: Amit sir amount kuch ho nahi pa raha hai.. july me wo amount aayega to de dunga

 

12/05/15 10:40:28 am: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji aap problem nahi samaj rahe ho meri... Aap phone bhi nahi utha rahe ho naa phone kar rahe ho...

 

12/05/15 10:44:05 am: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji phone tou uthao

 

12/05/15 10:44:25 am: Amith D'Silva: Aisa nahi uthane se problem solve ho jaayenga lagta hai

 

12/05/15 10:44:41 am: Amith D'Silva: July tak nein intezaar bahi kar sakta

 

12/05/15 10:45:05 am: Amith D'Silva: I cannot wait till july

 

12/05/15 10:46:17 am: Amith D'Silva: Please keep your car an take the money or sell your property or lease it. Do anything now this is the height please understand. We are facing problems after problems

 

12/05/15 10:47:24 am: Amith D'Silva: For u it is easy to give dates  after dates yeah everything is coming on the head

 

12/05/15 2:38:37 pm: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji i have spoken to my friend and he explained to me on the builder's part as too what we can do too procure the loan. So call me  once u r free so i can explain.

 

12/05/15 11:04:55 pm: Amith D'Silva: When r u planning on meeting me

 

13/05/15 7:14:50 am: Ganesh Godse: Amit sir mera builder se baat nahi ho paya kal mai apana phone bhul gaya tha hotel me

 

13/05/15 7:15:11 am: Ganesh Godse: Mai aaj baat karake cl karata hu

 

13/05/15 10:17:50 am: Amith D'Silva: Ok. But before u speak to the builder call me cause i need to tell u wht the person told me

 

18/05/15 9:22:33 pm: Ganesh Godse: Wil cl u tomorrow evening

 

18/05/15 9:22:34 pm: Ganesh Godse: Wil cl u tomorrow evening

 

I had sent the above mentioned  chat of whatsapp to my Email as Back Up.

 

I do not have the chat from 18th May 2015 Till 05th July 2015 Cause my phone crashed.

 

5. Whatsapp Proof from 05th July 2015 (Part is in English and part is in Hindi).

 

05/07/15 19:49:23: Amith D'Silva: What is happening of the cash

 

05/07/15 19:49:39: Amith D'Silva: Y r u not answering the call

 

06/07/15 04:49:46: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji aap answer mat dou ab. Mujhse galti ho gayi ki maine aapko waqt bahut diya mujhe mera paise chukane ke liye

 

06/07/15 05:04:13: Amith D'Silva: I have tried calling u several times but of no use cause u never answer and u don't have the courtesy of even calling or even sending me a message. Not even me the people who have worked hard even when they all you. You never answer. As per your words you were suppose to give me a certain amount today the 6th of July 2015. But since u r neither answering the phone and neither calling back I assume you are not planning on giving me the amount. I am putting the cheque given by you on the 07th of July 2015. If it bounces I am putting a complain along with the documentation that is your pan card copy, ration card copy etc. along with the recordings and screenshots and mail copies. I will register a complain with the cops as well as put in the newspaper. I have waited and given you enough time but I am sorry to tell I did a mistake. So now it is high time to take an action against you. This is for your information. Thanks

 

06/07/15 05:06:48: Amith D'Silva: Please don't call me cause i am not interested in your jazz which you have been giving me from the past so many months. I have waited enough and even the poor people working for you have waited enough.

 

06/07/15 07:05:26: Ganesh Godse: Sir payment ka arrangement nahi hua 25 ko milega definitely.

 

06/07/15 07:10:46: Ganesh Godse: 25 ko mera payment aaye ga dusare ke bharose thoda problem hota hai aap to samaz sakate ho..

 

06/07/15 07:15:05: Ganesh Godse: Itana wait kiya hai aapane 25 tak wait karo please

 

06/07/15 07:15:41: Ganesh Godse: 100% ho jayega 25th ko

 

06/07/15 07:16:41: Ganesh Godse: Aapaka Phone uthake na bol nahi paa raha tha isaliye nahi uthaya.

 

06/07/15 07:17:15: Ganesh Godse: 25% nahi hua to jo aap chahe kar lijiye bas 25 tak time dijiye

 

06/07/15 07:17:47: Ganesh Godse: Sure ho jayega

 

16/07/15 18:20:58: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji kya ho raha hai phir se phone nahi utha rahe ho

 

16/07/15 18:21:54: Amith D'Silva: Abhi kya progress hai

 

16/07/15 18:23:01: Amith D'Silva: Please situation already out of control jaa chuka hai

 

16/07/15 18:24:57: Amith D'Silva: Need atleast 3 lakhs now on the 25th

 

16/07/15 18:25:13: Amith D'Silva: With 2 Lakhs nothing is going to happen

 

16/07/15 18:26:59: Amith D'Silva: The interest will also be levied on the total billing cause I have to also pay Interest.

 

16/07/15 18:32:41: Amith D'Silva: I will be putting the cheque as per 3 Lakhs - Bharti's Cheque - Reema's Cheque - Surendra's Cheque. Please also make arrangements of the remaining amount at the earliest. I will be putting the cheque on the 26th of July 2015. Please make a note and keep sufficient balance. I will not wait for another day also. 25th of July 2015 is d the last. You also know how much I have waited. It is a long time now.

 

16/07/15 18:33:02: Amith D'Silva: I am waiting for ur call

 

16/07/15 18:35:00: Ganesh Godse: Cl me

 

16/07/15 19:05:31: Amith D'Silva: Call kar raha hu tou utha nahi rahe ho

 

18/07/15 21:37:37: Amith D'Silva: Kya ho raha hai Ganeshji... Mujhe phone karo urgent hai...

 

19/07/15 00:02:09: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji aap phone pe baat nahi kar sakte tou message pe baat karo

 

19/07/15 00:02:37: Amith D'Silva: Mujhe batao 25 tarik ko kya amount de rahe ho

 

19/07/15 11:09:16: Amith D'Silva: Chalo thik hai matlab aapke taraf se koi jawab nahi aa raha hai

 

19/07/15 11:09:24: Amith D'Silva: Itne din se phone kar raha hu

 

19/07/15 11:09:31: Amith D'Silva: Messages bhej raha hu

 

19/07/15 11:09:44: Amith D'Silva: But there is no reply from your end

 

19/07/15 11:11:15: Amith D'Silva: I will not call you and disturb you that too for my money. I am tired of all the requesting part. Now I will put your cheque on Monday. Thanks.

 

19/07/15 11:13:25: Amith D'Silva: U r not understanding the problems I am facing. So be it.

 

19/07/15 11:38:44: Amith D'Silva: Kya hua Ganeshji

 

19/07/15 11:38:55: Amith D'Silva: Online ho par answer nahi de rahe ho

 

19/07/15 11:39:26: Ganesh Godse: Abhi tak payment hath me nahi hai to kya batau aapako

 

19/07/15 11:39:48: Ganesh Godse: 25 ko banda deta hu bola hai

 

19/07/15 11:40:00: Amith D'Silva: Idhar Interest pe maine paise uthaya hai.

 

19/07/15 11:40:11: Ganesh Godse: Jaise haath me aata hai cl kar dunga

 

19/07/15 11:40:16: Amith D'Silva: Matlab confirm nahi hai naa

 

19/07/15 11:40:30: Amith D'Silva: Call uthaya karo

 

19/07/15 11:40:42: Amith D'Silva: Phone saamne se kar nahi rahe ho

 

19/07/15 11:41:21: Amith D'Silva: Aaj tak maine hi phone kiya hai aapko

 

19/07/15 11:41:54: Amith D'Silva: Mujhe bhi malum hai 25 ko aapko paise milne waale hai

 

19/07/15 11:42:02: Amith D'Silva: Lekin baat tou karo

 

19/07/15 11:42:05: Ganesh Godse: Muze sabake cheque ke photo nikal ke bhejne bolo whatsapp pe

 

19/07/15 11:42:30: Ganesh Godse: Employees ke

 

19/07/15 11:43:04: Ganesh Godse: Kal tak bheja to bhi chalega

 

19/07/15 11:43:39: Amith D'Silva: Mein abhi kuch baat nahi karunga

 

19/07/15 11:44:01: Amith D'Silva: Woh sab ko salary chaiye

 

19/07/15 11:44:11: Ganesh Godse: Kisase? Employees se?

 

19/07/15 11:44:19: Amith D'Silva: Paise aane ke baad baat karunga

 

19/07/15 12:05:23: Amith D'Silva: a03b3b643ac621d502aac049623bd010.jpg <attached>

 

21/07/15 14:08:37: Amith D'Silva: Hi

 

21/07/15 14:08:47: Amith D'Silva: Did u speak to the builder

 

21/07/15 14:08:51: Amith D'Silva: Any news

 

21/07/15 14:09:05: Amith D'Silva: About the Cash

 

21/07/15 14:15:49: Amith D'Silva: Please do give me an update

 

22/07/15 08:29:04: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji 25th ka kya ho raha hai.. Baat hua builder se.

 

22/07/15 10:10:39: Ganesh Godse: Baat nahi hua abhi tak .. but send me ur account details. Mai Saturday ko ya Monday ko payment transfer kar dunga

 

22/07/15 14:08:36: Amith D'Silva: Ok. Here the light has gone once it comes will surely send you the account details. Thanks for releasing the pressure of my head.

 

23/07/15 17:30:08: Amith D'Silva: Bank Details 

Payee Name : Corona Borealis

Bank Account Number : 1062000100174301

Bank Name : Karnataka Bank

Branch : Bhayandar

City : Mumbai

MICR Code : 400052010

IFSC Code : KARB0000106

Branch Code : 000106

Address : Shop No. 12, Ostwal Ornate, Jesal Park, Bhayandar (E.) Thane - 401105

Swift Code : KARBINBBOSB

 

23/07/15 19:32:45: Ganesh Godse: Current hai ya saving?

 

23/07/15 19:33:50: Amith D'Silva: It is a Current A/c

 

24/07/15 15:46:04: Amith D'Silva: Please send me the address on which Arima App Store is registered

 

24/07/15 15:46:15: Amith D'Silva: For the Invoice Billing

 

24/07/15 20:37:43: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji kya hua

 

25/07/15 08:14:48: Amith D'Silva: Please give me an update

 

25/07/15 08:18:07: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji mujhe please batao ki kya ho raha hai. Kal se phone naa kar rahe ho naa uthao rahe ho. Kyu ghuma rahe ho.

 

25/07/15 08:32:12: Ganesh Godse: Mai bahar tha raat mai jaise somwar ko paise mil jayenge to aap ko send kar dunga

 

25/07/15 08:44:55: Amith D'Silva: Phone ko answer karo

 

25/07/15 08:45:21: Amith D'Silva: Maine aapko Agreement ka mail bheja hai

 

25/07/15 08:45:33: Amith D'Silva: Aaj mein sab Invoices bhejta hu

 

25/07/15 13:49:07: Amith D'Silva: Monday ki confirm kar dena please. Please Tuesday mat karo and secondly mujhe receipt bhej dou Transfer ka. So i can follow up withe the bank

 

25/07/15 13:49:35: Amith D'Silva: Monday Ko Confirm kar dena.

 

25/07/15 13:53:02: Amith D'Silva: If not on Tuesday we are putting the cheques. We cannot wait anymore. We are facing problems after problems. It is high tome you realise what we are going through. Each day is tough to remove.

 

25/07/15 13:53:13: Amith D'Silva: Please understand the problem

 

25/07/15 18:46:43: Amith D'Silva: Please check the mail sent by you on Jan 08 2015 at 12:13pm with the subject Sales Process sent by you where you have clearly mentioned $4/ Hr

 

26/07/15 23:52:09: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji please do it tomorrow

 

26/07/15 23:52:27: Amith D'Silva: Did u receive the cash

 

27/07/15 08:42:28: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji naa aap mera messages ka answer de rahe ho naa aap mera mails ka answer de rahe ho na aap phone ka answer de rahe ho

 

27/07/15 08:45:40: Amith D'Silva: That means you are playing around so now It is better for me to go ahead and put your cheques and lodge a complain on you and your company along with all your mails, documentation, messages. Cause u r just playing around. If you were genuine u would have answered the calls, messages and mails.

 

27/07/15 08:46:50: Amith D'Silva: I cannot wait anymore.

 

27/07/15 08:47:42: Amith D'Silva: I am tired of all the requesting. This is what we get for supporting you for 7 months.

 

27/07/15 08:51:55: Amith D'Silva: You were saying 25th of July 2015 ka date final hai. We waited. Ab kya 27th of July 2015 hai aaj ab tak nahi aaya cash. Kya vishwas rakho aapke upar. Aap mujhe bataye. Upar se aapne process kisi aur ko outsource kiya hai. Bewakoof samajte ho kya aap mujhe. Call Center Industry hai. Aaj forums mein aapka aur aapke Company ka naam dalunga sab proofs ke saath. Pareshan kar diya hai aapne. Ab sehan ke bahar ho gaya hai.

 

27/07/15 08:53:26: Amith D'Silva: Mujhe aapse koi lena dena nahi hai. Mera bill clear karo aur aap apne raaste aur mein aapne raaste. Aap mujhe majboor kar rahe ho yeh sab karne ke liye.

 

27/07/15 08:55:15: Amith D'Silva: Mujhe yeh message ka answer mat dou nahi tarik. 25th July 2015 aapka wada tha. 

 

27th July 2015 aapne waqt maanga woh aaj hai. Let's see.

 

27/07/15 08:59:19: Amith D'Silva: I told you several times please answer the phone even if you do not have the money. For what are you ashamed off not talking over the phone. I helped you put with the script, mails. This is what i get in return. This is the reason i never gave u a investor. Jab aap mera paisa de nahi paa rahe ho Investor ka kaha se chuka paonge. I will put this in the papers as well. Where you and your company's name is in jeopardy and you can believe that. Thanks

 

27/07/15 09:56:29: Amith D'Silva: Today is the final day please don't ask for tomorrow cause i cannot give you another day any more. I am facing problems because of you. Please understand my problem. It is the height now. After giving you time you do not full fill your promise.27/07/15 10:03:04: Amith D'Silva: FYI I will be putting all mails, Screenshots of Arima App Store, your Pan Card Copy with the Pan Number AOZPG4501R, election Card No. RMV1409549, Pritesh's Documents, Messages & Cheque Copies after they bounce.

 

27/07/15 10:10:08: Amith D'Silva: I helped you with your mails on Arima App Store, The Script of Arima Store and by giving you enough time for the payment. 7 months is a big time. How much longer can I also wait. I have to pay people as well. Why can't you understand my problem. I like to do business in a proper manner to build a long term relationship. I do not have anything against you or your company. I just want my hard work to be paid for.

 

27/07/15 10:13:25: Amith D'Silva: Even I never charged you for the days you kept the center closed. Ask any center the money is charged when the process is on hold. Now I feel I need to charge you for the Script, Mails and Days that you have told to hold the process Where my billing was on. Who will give so many benefits and what do I get in return no reply from your end and no reply on my payments.

 

27/07/15 10:21:41: Amith D'Silva: After I put all of this in the newspaper you only think No Investor will Invest in Arima App Store or you anymore. No Call Center will run your process. Problems aapko hoga mujhe nahi. Aapko joke lagta hai to thik hai lekin aaj ka last day hai kal mein cheque dal raha hu. And once the cheque bounces i will start all the other procedures. This is for your information.

 

27/07/15 11:14:17: Amith D'Silva: As per telephonic talks please send me the receipt of NEFT and  RTGS. Please do it by today an please answer my call.

 

27/07/15 12:01:01: Amith D'Silva: Has the transfer been done. What's happening

 

27/07/15 12:04:31: Amith D'Silva: I m calling and you are not answering the phone again. Drop a message.

 

27/07/15 12:19:08: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji please let me know only one thing is the transfer happening or not. Yes or No. I will not disturb you. I will continue with my procedure thereafter. Giving you time till 1 cause there after the banks are closed.

 

27/07/15 13:34:56: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji mere ghar pe aaye hai ladka cheque lene ke liye jisse maine paise liya tha.

 

27/07/15 13:36:58: Amith D'Silva: Call 10 minute mein karta hu bolte ho aur call karne pe kaat rahe ho. Dusre ka phone utha rahe ho mera number dekhte hi nahi utha rahe ho.

 

27/07/15 13:37:15: Amith D'Silva: Messages padh ke anjaan ban rahe ho

 

27/07/15 14:39:09: Amith D'Silva: I am putting the Cheque of the full amount tomorrow in d morning and have informed the same to the agents thereafter once your cheque bounces will lodge a complain against you and your Company Arima App Store with all the written proofs. Along with the FIR Copy will put it in the papers.

 

27/07/15 19:11:18: Amith D'Silva: I have tried reaching you several times and you do not have the courtesy of calling or neither answering the phone. You think this is all a joke. But you do not know what We are going through.

 

27/07/15 20:19:12: Amith D'Silva: Ganeshji i don't think u r even bothered about your Company Arima App Store otherwise you would have paid the part payment today as promised by you and as you said in your message that after the 

27th of July 2015 to go ahead in lodging a complaint. I am doing the same. So tomorrow We are putting the cheques and if it bounces will drag you to court. Now no need of your messages and calls cause we have given you ample time to full fill your commitment.

 

27/07/15 20:20:00: Amith D'Silva: Where you have played a fool with our trust.

 

28/07/15 11:53:53: Amith D'Silva: I have made the post and will post it on Linked In, Facebook, Twitter and everywhere informing of the Fraud you have done. I do not like doing this but since you are not giving my money. I have to do this and make sure no 1 else falls trap to you or Arima App Store.

 

There are more verbal talks and now Ganesh Godse - +91-9833-168-987 has ran away to Dhanakwadi, Pune, Maharashtra, India. 

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Ganesh Dhananjay Godse:

Pritesh Pradeep Saitwal:

Balance Sheet 2015.pdf (71.54 kb)

George Raul Franco from Fast Services 1, Inc does not know who is responsible for his fees. It seems that he thinks that he need only to invent a call center campaign, post it at LinkedIn and he can earn money. Maybe he has been sleeping the last few months and did not get it, how scam is running and the most centers are already aware of it.

I know that it is not easy to get a genuine client. But with offers, everything is free for the client that is not selling, that is only gift giving. It is very simple: This one, which has hired him has to pay him. The call center makes the work why should the center pay for the work? The scammer proves with this kind of offer, that he does not have any contract with the client. If he likes to earn from the call center too, then he has to sell a setup fee to the client. This setup fee is normally the double high of the payment he likes to get, because the tax office like to get his part too and wire transfers are not free of charge. I don't think, that he will be able to sell this to his client, because his selling performance seems to be zero, especially if we take a look at his offer at LinkedIn Pulse:

WE NEED A TEAM OF 5 FOR OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE -   RETENTION ASAP!!! DIRECT SIGN UP!!!

KEY QUALIFICATIONS

1. Ability to assess customers’ support needs when they call us, then provide solutions or refer them to other team members.
2. Ability to retain customers from cancelling subscriptions.

 

COMPENSATION

1. $8.50 PER HOUR

 

START DATE: MAY 18,2015

 

SIGN UP PROCEDURES AND REQUIREMENTS

(MANDATORY)

1. Contact your consultant - +1(317)469-9342
2. Center Needs to Send Company Profile and LOI - georgefranco@fastservices1.com

 

WE NEED A TEAM OF 5 FOR OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE - RETENTION ASAP!!!

 

COMMERCIALS

1. $350 - TRAINING BOND (THIS IS REFUNDABLE UPON COMPLETION OF THE TRAINING) TO BE COLLECTED UPON SIGNING OF THE CONTRACT.
2. $250 - OUTSOURCING FEE (TO BE COLLECTED AFTER 1ST WEEK OF CALL)
3. $150 - PROFESSIONAL FEE (TO BE COLLECTED UPON SIGNING OF THE CONTRACT)

As scammer are lazy is the description of the job very short in compare to the condition, It shows only that he has no idea about the job. He has only an idea what he likes to get.

A customer service job need to have access to customer data. The customer data are protected by law and the fines for breaking the law are high. Maybe he has been too lazy to read the article Data of 280,000 customers stolen: AT&T lost over $ 25 million before he has been inventing his campaign. For the case that he has not invented the campaign by himself, he cannot call himself to be a consultant in the outsourcing industry, because he knows nothing about this industry and his working value is zero. In such a case he needs to pay that he can learn the job. This is shown in his LinkedIn profile too. The only job, which he has done until now is:

The project manager of a call center (now increasingly called a contact center) is responsible for the daily running and management of a call center through the effective use of resources with responsibility for meeting, and possibly setting, customer service targets as well as planning areas of improvement or development. Call center project manager ensure that calls are answered by staff within agreed time scales and in an appropriate manner.

I wonder myself why he did not learn something by doing his job during the 2 years and 4 months? Maybe he has been the most of the time in prison?

He is even so stupid and thinks that a training for a campaign of a client has a value for a call center, for what he can take money. It has only a value for the client, because the center is selling the clients product and the provided information cannot be used for another client. If the client itself cannot provide a training for his products, then the client has to provide all product information or hire a trainer and pay for it. That is the problem of the client, because he likes to outsource and the client is saving money by outsourcing,

The same is valid for the "outsourcing fee". If the consultant likes to get such a fee, then he has to get it from the client. The client likes to outsource and saving money by outsourcing,

A "professional fee"? That is a fee which the call center has to get, because that are the professionals. The "consultant" has already shown in his offer that he is nothing else than a bloody amateur and he does not understand something about his business.

That he is to lazy to learn something by doing is shown by his comments:

We have our own company policy, let us respect that besides we are not forcing anyone if they don't want our policy. Respect. Thanks

As the only way of income are his charges, the scammer is not able to change his "policy".

Charging a fee is a scam? C'mon wake up!!! There is nothing free in this world. We are running a business and we are not the client, we are working for our clients, we pay taxes, we pay our staffs and we are not a charity foundation. Thinking like that won't get you anything. So tell me now, is it a scam? You should be thankful being we are transparent here unlike people out there hiding the truth and at the end will charge you then that is a scam. Wake up Miguel, and you're not my friend by the way.

With this statement he proves that he has no contract with any client. A broker or consultant gets paid from the client which hired him. In the hiring contract is written that the broker/consultant has to search for the best center and not for the center where he can earn extra. If a friendship is working only about the wallet will it be better to have an enemy than a friend.

Is that for me or to yourself? Shout it loud so you can hear yourself. As far as we are concern we are very transparent in all our business. People like you should stop pirating clients. Stop pirating and reselling programs.

Where is any transparency in the offer found? Even the kind of the product is hidden, Invented campaigns need not get pirated, 

Try something different? What? Your style? Copying or I should say PIRATING and STEALING information then resell it? NO NO, we rather keep it this way. TRANSPARENT. By the way, how's being on the top 20 fraudster in this site? Beware you are on our black list here and we will do everything to put you and like you behind bars. WATCH OUT.

As the scammer sees, that he has no chance to sell his invented campaign, he is getting angry. That is the normal behavior of a scammer and I experience it nearly every day especially if a scammer likes to explain me that I'm wrong.

At Omics Group he is acting as the "Expert" Alexandro Franco Miranda from the Catholic University of Brasilia (take a look under the caption "Expert Presentations" on the right site):

The real LinkedIn profile of Alexandre Franco Miranda is found here.

George Raul Franco _ LinkedIn.pdf (7.99 mb)

https_www.linkedin.com_pulse_we-need-team-5-our-customer-serv.pdf (291.65 kb)