Offshore Outsourcing & Scammer

Blog about offshore outsourcing and scammer in the outsourcing industry

Why all these campaign offers from the low wage countries are SCAM?

Scam SchoolA company, which likes to outsource a campaign, is searching for a consultancy or outsourcing agency locally. The reason for this is that they like to feel save and have the same law situation for a contract. A local company can get easily verified. The hired consultancy agency gets paid from the outsourcer directly. It is normal that this one, which hires someone, pays the bill for it. For this are all these campaign offers with upfronts, royalty or however the fee is getting called nothing else then scam, because it shows that the broker or consultant does not have any contract with the client.

If a outsourcer is searching on the Internet abroad, then this one will not search for a consultancy agency or broker. Such a company is searching directly for a center, which can do the work. The contract structure and the verification process will be much more costly in time and workforce then to hire a consultant, which is doing all the work for them.

Additional has each one to respect the law in the destination country of the call. Consumer and customer data are in the traditional outsourcing countries (Australia, Canada, Europe Union, Ireland, New Zealand, USA, etc.) protected by law and are not allowed that others get access to them. Even if customer data are getting stolen this one, which has stored them, has to pay a fine. A nice example for this is the case from AT&T where 280,000 customer records got stolen from their own call center staff. AT&T had to pay a fine of US$ 25,000,000 for this case.  Do you really think that one of such companies give you access to their customer database when they are expecting such fines?

This shows already the reason why all the offered inbound and form filling campaigns are nothing else then scam.  You need only to think about it who is calling or which kind of forms should get filled. The most calls a company receive are coming from customers of the company. What can you do with such an incoming call if you have no access to the customer database? You are only able to forward the call to somebody, which has access to it. In such a case this one can pick up the call by himself too. The company will not save anything by outsourcing such a process. So why they shall outsource this kind of process?

Think now about the form filling process. Such campaigns have been available before the digital revolution has started. I started programming computer systems around 38 years ago. Since 30 years are already personal computer available. 1986 got the SQL (Structured Query Language) the first standardization. Since around 20 years are SQL databases in common use for storing data. That means all the data, which should get filled in forms, are already since more than 20 years digital available and the programs are able to fill forms automatically. There is no need to enter some data manually – the digital Stone Age is already a long time over! Why should you pay someone for a copy and paste work if there are programs are available which are doing the work within seconds?

Do you really think that any author is writing by hand or on a type writer? The first program I remember having used for writing letters has been Wordstar. The version 1 got sold already in the year 1978. It has been running on the CP/M System from Digital Research already and got later on ported to the system of MSDOS. Since 1983 is Microsoft Word available. Why should an author use a type writer or write his books by hand in this case? It is much easier to type it on a computer and forward it by email to the publisher, the editor can make easily his changes and forward it directly to the pressroom. With the export function is it easily to bring the book without typing into the eBook format. There is no manual interaction necessary. The books are getting stored for a reissue. Even old book got already digitalized during the past 30 years. So there is no need for eBook typing. Think about it, why should you pay an upfront fee for such a work? The answer is very simple: The scammer cannot get paid from any client for the invented process and the upfront fee is his only possible income in this case!

The next big scam is the tech support where the center should buy calls and charge the caller for the provided service.  In this case the center takes the risk about the way the calls are getting generated. A legal way to generate such calls is with advertising not possible. With advertisings at the best visited sites you can get one or two calls per day, because everybody knows someone, which can help by computer problems. The most common problems are network and driver problems. With network problems you have no access to the remote computer and cannot give any help. Driver installation from remote is very difficult too because in the most times you need exactly the model of the hardware part. An end user will not be able to tell it to you. In such a case are only the calls remaining, which are generated by scareware. Such scareware is illegal and the center can up in jail for making money generated by scareware, viruses, ransomware, etc. As the center is making money with the incoming calls is it reasonable that the center is the programmer or the distributor of the criminal software. The seller of the calls will be already trackless disappeared in such a case and the center owner will be alone in front of the law court. The devil takes the hindmost.

 

Which campaigns are remaining for offshore call centers in such a case?

The situation is very simple.  Campaigns other than lead generations from already heavy used data, which are getting traded between the centers, are not really available.

All the offered products from the real campaigns are on a pay per sale base and are well known from the spam emails. To sell such products by already heavy used calling data is not really easy and profitable. It is only profitable for the outsourcer because he is even saving the cost for the staff and has no risk about his product which is unsaleable on a normal way. For the center is it like fishing in troubled waters by taking all the risk.

 

Scammer: shrsolution.org - Smart Human Resource Solution Pvt. Ltd. - Vikram Pratap Singh

Smart Human Resource Solution Pvt. Ltd.It seems that the scammer Vikram Pratap Singh with his Smart Human Resource Solution Pvt. Ltd. company (shrsolution.org) is already running out of money and is planning to leave his actual area. For this he is offering unbelievable campaigns. As more a scammer needs money as more unbelievable are their offers.

We know Vikram Pratap Singh already from SCISOLUTIONS.US, ALDIABLOS.US and ALDIABLOS.COM.

Let's start with their email - I have only removed the date and the receipient. We see already at the email the laziness of a scammer. 'He even forgot to remove the "FW:" from the subject line and to make the email personal addressed:

From: Varnika Khosla <varnika.k@shrsolution.org>
Subject: FW: Inbound project details


Hello Sir/Mam,

We have introduced various Inbound projects with high payout. I am hereby attaching the project details. Please provide your contact no./Skype ID if you are interested.

Thanking You.


Regards,
Varnika Khosla
Business Development Manager
Smart Human Resource Solution Pvt. Ltd.
Skype ID: varnika.khosla803

At the offer I have marked the parts red, which are proving the scam:

BRITISH TELECOM INBOUND PROCESS
Nature of work: Telecom Customer Care Inbound
Payouts: GBP 18 per seat per hour
Payment cycle: Biweekly
Payment mode: Bank wire only
Shift: 8am to 6pm (GMT)
Invoicing hours: 9 hours operational
No. of seats: 30 (Only 1 shift)
Working days: Monday to Sunday
Advance billing: 1st biweekly
Training: Onsite (Client visit)
Male/Female ratio: 2:8
CONSULTANCY CHARGES: Rs. 5,00,000/-
NEW CENTERS CAN APPLY.
TECH REQUIREMENT:
INTERNET REQUIREMENT: LEASE LINE OF 4 MBPS WITH BACK UP.
FIREWALL, DELL/IBM SERVER, SYSTEM: MINIMUM CORE 2 DUO/ QUAD CORE.
CENTERS IN SOUTH EAST ASIA (NO PHILIPPINES).
AGENTS SHOULD BE IN NEUTRAL UK ACCENT.
ATTRITION SHOULD NOT EXCEED 5% ANNUALLY.
FINAL SCREENING OF AGENTS BY UK BASED CLIENT.
ONLY 3 SLOTS AVAILABLE FOR 2015.

For the price of GBP 18 (US$ 27.54, € 25.10) per agent and hour nobody will hire an offshore call center. For this price he can get in the own country too. It seems that Vikram Pratap Singh is very much in need of money, that he makes such an unbelievable offer. He hopes that some center owner is so greedy and go into his trap.

Consumer data in the European Union are protected by law. For this they cannot get exported or given access to someone outside of the European Union. How a call center will be able to help calling customers if they have not access to customer data? As the British Telecom does not win something by outsourcing - see the hourly offer - why shall they take the risk for getting prosecuted by law?

Consultancy charges are only proving that Vikram Pratap Singh does not have any contract with the client British Telecom. The consultancy charges are his only income from the scam.

With the hardware requirements he likes only to make himself important. As telephony software is mostly running under Linux are the named products not really all supported. It depends on the chipset and on the available drivers.

 

The second offer is nothing better than the first one. Additional to the consultancy charges he likes to get a monthly royalty in the high of the salary from 1 and a half agent. With this offer proves Vikram Pratap Singh that he is even too lazy for using his brain:

CELEBRITY MANAGEMENT INBOUND
An India based event management company is looking for the centres who can manage their work of celebrity management. Centre need to take schedule of event and forward the requirement to the respective celeb managing team. Celebrities will be from Bollywood and TV Series.
Nature: Online Appointment Setting
Slots: 3 (English mandatory) (Only Urban location centres may apply)
Pay-Out: INR 34500/- per agent per month
Payment Cycle: Monthly
Payment mode: Bank Management
Shift Time: 10AM to 7PM (Only 8 hours per shift to be billed)
Time Zone: Indian Standard Time
Working Days: 7 Days a week
Agents per shift: (30)
Male/Female ratio: 3:7
Contract Period: 2 years
Consultancy charges: Rs. 5,00,000/-
Advance Billing: One month
Eligibility Criteria:
- DoT/OSP License
- Balance Sheet of at least 1 year
- 6 months Banking
- Experienced in Voice Project (any)
TAT: 30 days to 45 days from the date of MoU
Steps of going Live:
1. Profile Selection
2. Conference call with Management team
3. Questionnaires
4. Online Screening
5. SLA sign up in the centre
6. Training Onsite/Online
7. Mock call tests
8. Live Going
Royalty: 5% from every billing. (NDA will be signed for that)

The name "event management company" says already that such a company manages events and not celebrities. Celebrities are hired for some events and not managed from such a company.Appointments with celebrities are done with the manager of the celebrity.

If a monthly salary if offered, then it does not make any sense to write that 8 hours per day are billable, The monthly salary does not change in this case. Maybe Vikram Pratap Singh is not able to express himself in English?

The scammer likes to know from the balance sheet and 6 months of banking statements how much he can withdraw from the company. Such a requirement is in the international business not normal. Banking statements are a secret. Balance sheets have to get published from some companies.

 

The third offer of the scammer Vikram Pratap Singh gives me the impression that flats and properties are getting in India faster traded then groceries. By inventing this campaign has Vikram Pratap Singh outdone himself. The client likes to take additional to the high payment for the agents the center expenses like electric bill, Internet connection, etc. Maybe Vikram Pratap Singh has been drunk or into drugs by making this offer. I'm only missing that the client pays the tax and a salary for the center owner:

REAL ESTATE DOMESTIC INBOUND
MH: 2 Slots, GJ:1 Slot, AP/TG: 1 Slot, WB: 1 Slot, KA: 1 Slot.
Minimum 35 Seats Each Slot.
Project details as follows.
Centers can take minimum 35 seats
INR 35000+ST /month/agent
8hr login time/shift
CONTRACT: 2 Years
2 team head for 35 agents
INR 40000/pm fixed pay for each team leader.
2 Quality persons for 35seats (INR 38000 each)
Project manager -1 (INR 45000)
The other sub staff or admin/HR payments will not be taken care.
Monthly electricity, iplc bill, internet bill, cab expenses, cafeteria expenses will be covered by client. You have to produce proper invoice for it.
All the above payments will be given to you and you may fix any salary for your staffs.
You have to arrange accommodation for one quality analyzer from client office who will stay with you for 3 months. The bill will be paid by client; you just need to set his accommodation as he is new to country.
If the center has all the above qualities with good infrastructure, technical, and agents means they are eligible for this process
Advance amount of one month billing will be provided on the day of going alive.
Payments and Sign Up details:
Consultancy Charges: Rs. 5,00,000/-
Royalty: - 5%
One month advance payout is there.
Centers are already running in MUMBAI.
Sign up will be with direct end client.
If you are ok for the terms please mail me your company documents. PPT of your company profile, DOT license, Registration Certificate, STPI (optional), NASCOM (optional), CENTER PICTURES and NETWORKING CHART
Briefing the center experience what they are in to and what all the process they run. (Imp point doesn’t give wrong information’s. Let us know genuinely what a experience you have if fresher also ok)

It seems that the quality analyzer is Vikram Pratap Singh by himself. Maybe he needs to hide himself from the police, Interpol, his creditor or from his scammed victims. For this he needs to change from time to time his living area.

The domain registry data of shrsolution.org:

Domain Name:SHRSOLUTION.ORG
Domain ID: D168825547-LROR
Creation Date: 2013-05-30T15:00:02Z
Updated Date: 2015-04-10T08:39:34Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2015-05-30T15:00:02Z
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, LLC (R91-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 146
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL:
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited -- [link removed] Status: clientRenewProhibited -- [link removed] Status: clientTransferProhibited -- [link removed] Status: clientUpdateProhibited -- [link removed] ID:CR144307266
Registrant Name:Vikram Pratap Singh
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 101, Moryansh Ellanza, Shayamal Cross Road,
Registrant Street: Satellite
Registrant City:ahmedabad
Registrant State/Province:Gujarat
Registrant Postal Code:380009
Registrant Country:IN
Registrant Phone:+972.5126999
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Admin ID:CR144307268
Admin Name:Vikram Pratap Singh
Admin Organization:
Admin Street: 101, Moryansh Ellanza, Shayamal Cross Road,
Admin Street: Satellite
Admin City:ahmedabad
Admin State/Province:Gujarat
Admin Postal Code:380009
Admin Country:IN
Admin Phone:+972.5126999
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Tech ID:CR144307267
Tech Name:Vikram Pratap Singh
Tech Organization:
Tech Street: 101, Moryansh Ellanza, Shayamal Cross Road,
Tech Street: Satellite
Tech City:ahmedabad
Tech State/Province:Gujarat
Tech Postal Code:380009
Tech Country:IN
Tech Phone:+972.5126999
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Name Server:NS1.ALDIABLOS.COM
Name Server:NS2.ALDIABLOS.COM
Name Server:
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DNSSEC:Unsigned

 

Fraud with Windows Pop Up calls - euroanswerllc com

A business is only good if the risk is low and the earnings are high. In the following offer is it a good business only for the SCAMMER. The center owner has even the risk to end up in jail while the scammer is hiding himself.

A friend forwarded me the following offer and asked me about my opinion:

Hello!
We outsource US Inbound Technical Support Campaign! from more than 3 years and complete genuine in terms of accounts & calls. We operate from Mumbai, India. We do not charge any Royalty, consulting fees & security deposit.
We keep transparency in our Business.

The following are the details of the process:-
Agents required: 10 or more
Technician: 1 or more
US Toll Free Number
Payment Gateway
Dialer
Lease line with minimum speed of 2 MBPS
Website (Optional)
Computer's with good configuration.(Windows 7 preferred)

Pricing for Windows, Pop u calls: (Prepaid System)
1. Price for 10-50 calls  - Rs. 850/- per call
2. Price for 51-100 calls - Rs. 800/- per call
3. Price for 101-200 calls - Rs. 750/- per call
4. Price for 201-350 calls - Rs. 700/- per call
Note: 30 paid test calls per day will be provided only for 3 days at start, 30 calls for 3 days.

The following are the details of the US Inbound Tech Support Campaign:-
1. Campaign will be running for minimum 10 calls only.
2. The payment for the campaign will be in advance. Minimum 48 working hours ago (Wire Transfer). No Credit is given on any grounds.
3. Calls will be received from US / Canada customers only.
4. Timings for the campaign to start are 10:00 pm to 5:00 am IST (Monday - Friday).
5. Call recording to be provided, if required.
6. Center should have a US / Canada Toll Free Number only.
7. Minimum 10 - 12 calls will be routed per slot.
8. Daily MIS report for the calls is to be shared at EOD compulsorily for verification. If not shared, the report provided from contractor will be final and undebatable..
9. If any issue or problem occurs, campaign will be paused and will be active once it is approved by the Contractor itself.
10. Any called missed or abandoned due to lack of technology or late communication will be counted as paid call to the client.
11. Calls Category – Webmail calls, Pop up calls, Antivirus calls, Tablet calls, PC running slow, MAC calls, Printer calls, Antivirus not downloading or running etc..
12. We are no where concerned whether the center makes sale's out of the Inbound calls or not.
As we provide the best calls and there is also some effort shown from the center to up-sell the customers.
13. No replacement for calls will be given on any grounds.

PS: No free or test calls provided. Only Serious Call Centers / BPO contact me and please don't waste mine as well as your time.

Thanks & Regards,
Mr. Priyesh Rao
Cell - +91 9820557973
Skype - priyesharao
Website - www.euroanswerllc.com
Reference Center in Begumpet, Hyderabad
How is the scam working? Let us take a closer look:
  • The center has to provide a payment gateway. That means the center is billing to the customer directly. Each credit card payment can get rejected after the credit card holder receives his monthly statement. So the center has the risk for the transaction.

  • The center has to provide Toll Free numbers for US and/or Canada. That means the call center is paying for the incoming calls and the phone number is registered to the centers. A hidden registration is not possible for phone numbers. In the case of a fraud the owner of the phone number is responsible.

  • How the Toll Free number, which is previous not known, arrives in the Pop Up that the customer can call it?
    The legal way is to show a number on a website or in advertisements. In all other cases it will come from only from a malware. Remember, the number is not known previous.
    It need to be only a toll free number because the customer shall call it instead of consulting a friend or a computer repair center located near to his place.
    For all other purposes like a call by using a software on a computer, tablet or smartphone you even don't need a phone number. Such calls can get routed directly over the Internet.

  • The center has to pay for the Pop Up calls, This is the way how the scammer is making his money.

  • The owner of the domain euroanswerllc.com are hiding themselves behind a proxy service at the domain registry

If we put now the facts together, then we see that the center is not working for a client. In this case the center acts as a reseller because the center need to buy the calls and makes the billing with the caller directly. The center is responsible in front of law for the product. The center cannot hide themselves in anonymity like the SCAMMER do, because the center is taking the money and the phone number is registered to the center. If one customer goes in front of the law court than the center owner will end up in jail. He has make the fraud and not the real scammer

In any case the center owner has a high risk to end up in front of the court, because Ignorance is no protection against prosecution.

Domain Name: EUROANSWERLLC.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1866035335_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: [link removed] Date: 2014-07-08T17:35:08Z
Creation Date: 2014-07-08T17:35:08Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-07-08T17:35:08Z
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 146
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.480-624-2505
Reseller: Google Inc.
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited [link removed] Status: clientUpdateProhibited [link removed] Status: clientRenewProhibited [link removed] Status: clientDeleteProhibited [link removed] Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Registration Private
Registrant Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC
Registrant Street: DomainsByProxy.com
Registrant Street: 14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
Registrant City: Scottsdale
Registrant State/Province: Arizona
Registrant Postal Code: 85260
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Phone: +1.4806242599
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.4806242598
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Registration Private
Admin Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC
Admin Street: DomainsByProxy.com
Admin Street: 14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
Admin City: Scottsdale
Admin State/Province: Arizona
Admin Postal Code: 85260
Admin Country: United States
Admin Phone: +1.4806242599
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +1.4806242598
Admin Fax Ext:
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: Registration Private
Tech Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC
Tech Street: DomainsByProxy.com
Tech Street: 14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
Tech City: Scottsdale
Tech State/Province: Arizona
Tech Postal Code: 85260
Tech Country: United States
Tech Phone: +1.4806242599
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +1.4806242598
Tech Fax Ext:
Name Server: NS45.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS46.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
DNSSEC: unsigned

 

The “genuine campaigns” from the brokers

Since I’m bashing against spammers and scammers, I get a lot of messages, which are sounding similar. Today morning I got this message from India:

I am in process of setting up call center and has been discussing various business opportunities with the brokers. Everyone asked for upfront consultancy fees and their responsibility ends with the SLA signed up with the business client. I found it too much risky and when I questioned this process and suggested alternate business modes like you mentioned monthly royalty fees or consultancy fees after one month billing cycle or even asked for bank guarantee but none of these brokers has shown interest and were not ready to proceed further.

At the end I am happy that i didn't proceed as one of known contacts has wasted their time and money both with the broker.”

Brokers, I’m not your enemy, but if you are continuing like you have done it until now, you are destroying your own business! You need to do something against the black sheep’s (spammer, scammer and other criminals) in your branch. Even your best and largest customer can run into bankruptcy. How you will survive if you are getting rejected from other centers, because you are scamming the same way like others?

Call centers, I cannot help you with campaigns, because I’m not a campaign broker. A few days ago one contact from Spain has asked me, if I know a Spanish speaking call center. I have forwarded the contact data of the only Spanish speaking call center, which I have known at this time, which is based in Guatemala for free.  I even don’t know if they are making or have made a contract. I can only recommend you to speak and help each other. Together you’ll be strong and this kind of brokers, which like to draw only money from you. It is better to earn nothing than to pay for nothing. As soon they are not able to sell campaigns on the way they have done it until now, the real brokers will accept your rules in making business.