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Analyzing the sage.co.uk SCAM – avoid to get scammed this way

Yesterday I got an email with the content that sage.co.uk or staff from them is scamming center owners. As Sage is a big software company from UK I did not believe it. Why should a big company be in need to take a few thousands or Pounds from center owners?

The content of the email has been:

I got Cheated by person called Sameer Ahuja , Ranveer swamy and Leisa Dorcherty , In the name of Business they took $ 490  Fraudulently and Now they are not receiving call and not replying mail also I filed a complaint in Near by Police station , 
sameer Ahuja  Skype id : sameer.sage-inc  , Mobile Number (Office ) - 00447509754621 , (personnel) - 00447509756623

Ranveer Swamy skype id : ranveer.sage-inc
Leisa Dorcherty skype id : leisa.sage-inc
Account number which they have given
Bank Name : State Bank of India
Name: Ranveer Swami
Account no.- 20176913465
IFSC code: SBIN0001161
Branch- IIT Kanpur

Let us verify the data, which seem to be true of this scam.

If someone calls you and he is transmitting his caller id, then it is possible to call him back. If the same person picks up the call than you have at least a phone number, which can get verified. In our case it is a little bit difficult, because the UK data protection act don’t let you make a reverse phone lookup.

Under the UK's data protection act, reverse phone number lookups are against the law. There are however a couple of options, depending on your situation.

If you are receiving nuisance calls, then you should contact your phone provider and lodge a complaint. Should the problem persist, then contacting the police is an option.

Only the area can get located where the call comes from. In our case is it a mobile phone from the area of Jersey.

By having the phone number and the location we find the first reason why the scam is not from Sage. Jersey is in an Island in front of the coast of France. It belongs to the UK territory. Sage is located in Newcastle upon Tyne. If we use Google maps and let us calculate a route, than we see that the shortest route is 781 km and it takes around 11 hours to drive the route without respecting the possible traffic and resulting traffic jam. Nobody will drive to his workplace this distance. On the other side nobody will use a mobile phone from an area, which is around 800km away from his home or workplace and where he needs to use even a ferry going to the island.

The office and the private phone numbers are mobile phone numbers.  A big company like Sage has a land line phone number for their office. They are not using mobile phones for their office.  Manager from a company with the size of Sage will not give you their private phone number. Leisa Docherty is a manager from Sage.

Additional to the reason that you need not pay in Europe for getting some work you can easily verify such offers, which are coming from such companies. Sage has published some phone numbers at their website the offer can get easily verified if you are calling one of their phone numbers. If you have really a contact with one of the manager, then you will be able to pass the gatekeeper.

The next information which seems to be true is the bank account number, because the scammer likes to get the money. The name can be already a fake. It is the age of electronic transactions. For this the name will not get verified during a transaction from the bank as long as the account number is correct.

A company like Sage will every time use their real bank account and not a private account from someone in India. The reason for this is the strict tax law in Europe. Each company need to have a correct financial bookkeeping, which gets verified from time to time from tax officers of the government.

The only possible way to catch the scammer is over their phone number and their bank account.  In our case it the scammer located in India, because the bank account is there. The phone number gets simple forwarded by Voice over IP to any place in the world. Don’t let yourself get fooled bank accounts are normally in the same area where the company is registered. With the usage of electronic banking you have access to your bank account all over the world. For this there is no reason to have a bank account abroad if you have not an affiliate in the country abroad.

All other information cannot get verified. The LinkedIn accounts could got hacked and everybody can chose his Skype ID how he likes to name it. There is no verification for company names by creating an account. Each free combination can get chosen.

Companies are using for their contracts their own registered domain names for sending and receiving emails. Only people, which have something to hide, are hiding themselves by using freemail accounts. Companies, which are using official such freemail accounts have listed them on their homepage too.

The only criticism that can be made sage.co.uk is that they do not respond to emails. Apparently they do not care that criminals are using the name of SAGE. A company that not even not care about the crime, where her name is used, will not take care of the interests of their clients. This is the sign of today's society. Everyone cares only about their personal profits and the profit of their shareholders.

The scammer are speculating with the greed of the people. So don't see the proposed winning - take a look if you are not pay for get nothing!!! A good name in the offer does not guarantee something. Use your brain and make in each case a background check!!!

 

Would you buy something in a shop, where the salesman is hiding himself behind a mask?

Guys with Mask

I think you would leave the shop immediately, because you would be afraid to get betrayed or robbed. Even I think you would try to leave the shop as quickly you can.

Why do you try in this case to make business with people on the Internet, which are not showing their real face? 

Someone, which hides himself, has a reason for it. The reason is mostly that he/she cannot show her face in public, because of their own intentions or because they have already someone betrayed and they are afraid that this one will find them again. 

Signs for a planned scam are:

  • A profile without a picture

  • A profile with a picture which does not show a person

  • A profile with a picture, which can get found by Google image search for a lot of different people.
    Be aware: Google lists the picture in the search result where ever it has been listed. For this the search result will list even the picture at connected friends from the social network pages.

  • A contact with the seller is only over Skype or a phone number possible

  • You have to pay an upfront fee (however this fee is called)

  • Every day or every few hours the same offer gets repeated

  • A provided domain name is registered by using an anonymization service or with incomplete address data
    An example of incomplete address data is:
    Registrant Name: Faisal Ansari
    Registrant Organization: Spectrum Outsourcing
    Registrant Street: Ahmedabad
    Registrant City: Ahmedabad
    Registrant State/Province: Gujarat
    Registrant Postal Code: 000000
    Registrant Country: IN
    Registrant Phone: +91.0000000
    Registrant Phone Ext:
    Registrant Fax:
    Registrant Fax Ext:
    Registry Admin ID:

As more of this possibilities are combined as higher is the risk to run into a scam. People, which are hiding themselves in anonymity have a reason for it. It is already hard to protect your laws by passing borders. It seems impossible if you have nothing than a graphic and a not existing address.

SO DON'T BE STUPID AND MAKE BUSINESS WITH SUCH CREATURES, SCAMMER AND FRAUDSTER. YOU'LL LOSE ONLY YOUR MONEY!!!

 

Facebook group "USA Business Opportunity Marketing" the group of the SCAMMERS

After verifying a few postings in the group "USA Business opportunity Marketing" by using scamadviser.com and the Open Source product Adguard for scam warnings, I got the following message from Johan V. Caem:

Johan V. Caem: I permanently banned you from the group "USA Business Opportunity Marketing" since you mentioned that our members are promoting scams. As long as a company pays it isn't a scam yet. I am the scam controller and I delete anyone who promotes a scam. Leave your colleagues alone, respect eachothers posts. If it is really a scam I permanently delete them, and I have the knowledge to decide over that. Enjoy your marketing experience Rudolf, just not in my group

Rudolf Faix: There is only SCAM!!!

Johan V. Caem: you should do some personal development on your brain Rudolf, like I said I have the knowledge to decide, you try to take it from a website
enjoy your day

It seems for me that Johan V. Caem does not know what is a complaint and a negative report at the web or he is the boss of the scammers there. Google lists a lot of such complaints!

I did not find one real business during the short time I have been visiting the group "USA Business opportunity Marketing".

 

There are companies in North of India who are spamming and collecting upfront

I have been thinking about that something is wrong, when I have seen so many outsourcing offers from India. Now I got it confirmed. A few friends from India have confirmed this information. It seems that this is the reason why I have found real outsourcing companies without any upfront only in Spain, UK and US .
 
The content of the Mail is:
Hi Rudolf
Hope this finds you well.
Very impressed with your work against spammers.We face this issue daily in our contact center here in India. These guys come up to us offering campaigns.
In fact we have had many friends who have paid these guys money before getting these imaginary projects on board and lost a load of money.There are companies up in the North of India who run big organisations which only do this.They have 100-200 agents just spamming and trying to collect upfront money and a lot of guys end up paying.
We should take a stand against this and come up with a clean platform where honest centers are able to pick up some good work.
Regards[I have only removed the name and the city for protecting my informer]

If you followed the other posts abut brokers and scammer, then you know already that each upfront is SCAM and the scammer are coming mostly from low wage countries. In this case you should be very careful by taking a business partner, which hides himself behind pictures of celebrities, symbols, animals etc. As long as you are not able to make a background check of your new business partner you shall not make business with him. The risk for getting scammed in this case is 99.99%.


Don't forget: Everything, which seems to be too good to be true is not true - it is only SCAM!!!
 
A comment from another person, living in India:
I Think, Rudolf Now a days it is almost a Universal Problem .In India also it is working & growing. Trained cheaters are enjoying by cheating others ,For some it is their Bread & Butter, some have base of this act in their Blood & DNA .Thief/cheaters work is successful only, till the owner is not aware or is in sleep .This Problem may grow, People are finding short cuts, boss style work. Due to low salaries, Unemployment, very high expectations,Media, Political leaders & Parties, So many things are contributing for this social evil . Wishers of Society welfare are always present in society by God grace. I wish/I want to see their success in all the Way. 
One more comment from a center owner in India:
I have heard few incidents
i know few centers in delhi (north india) who does have 15-20 odd people who call people for high flying projects
i told u right about my first exp where i lost almost 15000 euros
Step1 E Businesses Pvt Ltd is a big scam
 
     

 

Fraud warning sites

As I working every time transparent and don't hide any information, I have made a link collection of anti fraud information systems for your comfort. There you can find descriptions about the actual published scams. In any case you have to use your brain for not getting scammed. Everything, which sounds too good to be true is normally only a scam.

Internet Crime Fighters Organization
Internet Crime Fighters Organization Internet Crime Fighters Organization - Harnessing the Power of Internet Connectivity to Combat Internet Crime; Security Threats, Scams, Fraud

SCAMwatch
A scam warning site from the Australian Government

Scam shield
Scam Shield is a non-profit organization protecting citizens from scams and fraud schemes with advocacy and knowledge. Volunteers provide the fraud victims with helpful information and assistance.

ScamXposer
ScamXposer | Make Money Online Business and Income Opportunity Scams & Reviews

scam.com
Message board for posting various scams. Powered by VBulletin. Don't get scammed at scam.com

WOT - Web Of Trust
WOT is a free website reputation, rating and review tool that helps find trustworthy websites and protects against online scams, untrustworthy links, and unreliable web stores. Free add-on for Firefox, IE, Chrome, Opera and Safari browsers.

HOAX-SLAYER
Stay informed about the latest email hoaxes and scams by subscribing to the Hoax-Slayer Newsletter.

FBI
Federal Bureau of Investigation - Internet Fraud

Avoid getting scammed - make a background check
Description of free tools helping to identify scammer.

VOIP Fraud List
News | Voip Fraud LIST recommended by Nata Ellis (nata@speedflow.com)

A list of proved scammer can get found in the menu entry Scammer Exposed.

Offers from trusted and validated brokers can get found in the menu entry Fair Campaign Offers.