Update November 18, 2015: The following shows how scammer are thinking how they can build up a business and how they are thinking how they can continue if they are getting catched to be scammer.
I have written the article one day after I have warned the scammer Phani Indra - Malladi Phanindra immediately as he had published the scam campaign in Facebook. In the hope that nothing will happen to him, he continued posting copying one campaigns after another from other sources where he even didn't know the source. It did even not make any difference for him if the campaign is genuine or not. He even does not have any knowledge how to identify a scam campaigns and he has ignored my warnings. Only important for him has been to make money. The way to get money and if the payer gets something for his money has not been important for him.
As the most of the campaigns are only available against an advanced fee are the campaigns nothing else than scam. A real client is searching for a broker or consultant which is near of his place and not abroad. The clients likes to have the possibility to make a complaint immediately and directly as soon as something goes wrong. If a client is searching abroad then he is searching directly for a center and not for a middle man. In this case he likes to avoid the kids game "Chinese message" and save the fee for the broker. For this reasons are 99.9% campaign offers with source from low wage countries nothing else than scam.
On this article he has shown an reaction and started to delete the campaign offers from his site after he even used a friend, which tried to explain me in the Facebook group "the campaign is from a friend":
My opinion is that people which have such a kind of friends don't need some enemies - such people are already punished with these kinds of friends!
Afterwards he started to delete the campaign from his site savebpo.com. In the social networks are the offers still available - only the link to his site is not working. Here a screenshot from the scam offer in Facebook from today morning:
As I told him, that he does not have any contract or permission with Deep Blue Marketing and for this he needs to remove the campaigns from Deep Blue Marketing too, he replied: "Are you talking about the UK Boiler Survey campaign with hot key transfer. Project ?". This answer shows that he even does not know the source of the campaigns and he had never any contact with any client or another broker. He has only copied campaigns from suspicious sources in the hope of getting rich from the up-front fees.
After he has deleted some campaigns - only from his site, he sent me the following message at Facebook:
I have just moved all energy campaigns to trash
All done now
I request you to remove my name from your blog
If you find any other scam or fraud projects in my site
Please contact the author
Sorry, but business is not a kindergarten game. For doing business you need to build up a reputation. Only to change the author of the site and using different names for the fraud does not bring a good reputation and does not release the owner of the site from beeing liable for the content. With other words is it nothing else than a nice try for continuing scamming centers by saying it is only a market place. Even a bad reputation is a reputation.
The whole story shows only how the scammers are trying to play man-in-the middle. For the case that the offered campaign is a real campaign how they like to make money with copy & paste. If the campaign is a scam than they get at least the up-front fee. In any case is it scam, because they even don't know who is the provider of the campaign and from where they have copied the campaign.
Original article November 17, 2015: Yesterday I found some unbelievable campaign offers in the social networks. The offers got posted from Phani Indra / Malladi Phanindra the owner of the domain savebpo.com. A warning about the scam offers got ignored from him, because today morning the offers still exists in the social networks and on his site savebpo.com. It seems that he thinks that he can get rich by asking an advanced fee from centers. In one worse case he even thinks that he can get 7 Lacs (US$ 10,574) for a campaign where data from the client need to be accessible to the salesperson. The client will get fined from the US FTC (Federal Trade Commission) with US$ 16,000 per record. AT&T had paid in the past for such a failure, where data got stolen during an outsourcing process and the fines have been even cheaper, US$ 25,000,000. This ones, which don't believe it can take a look at the FTC site or at my report about this case.
Not one client will take the risk to get fined. A client likes to save money by an offshore outsourcing process and not pay more than his top workers get paid for doing the job. As in the traditional outsourcing countries (Australia, Canada, European Union, U.S.) the consumer and customer data are protected by the data protection law and the fines for breaking the law are very high, not one client will outsource any campaign where the center needs to have access to their database. It does not matter if the data are getting misused by the center or stolen from by a someone else during a data breach. The business owner is liable in any case because he has collected the data.
Let us take a look at the offered scam campaign first
US International Inbound: Insurance Sector
Project description:
US Customer Care Process is to handle Inbound Calls of the customers who wanted to Inquire / Renew / claim / Transfer Insurance / Address or Other Modification.
- +/- Calls could be in Health Insurance in regards to : HMO, PPO, EPO and Miscellaneous Insurance of (Visitor Insurance, Green Card holders Insurance, Student Health Insurance,J1 Visa Insurance, OPT Students Insurance, Europe Travel Insurance, Health Insurance for Visa, International Health Insurance, Group Travel Insurance, Short-term Heath Insurance, Discount Cards, Global Employees Group Insurance .
- +/- Calls could be in Property and Casualty Insurance in regards to: Property (flood, earthquake, home, auto, pet) and Casualty (errors and omissions, workers’ compensation, disability, liability).
- +/- Calls could be in Reinsurance in regards to: Insurance of Proportional, Non Proportional, Risks Attaching Basis, Losses Occurring basis, Claims –Made basis.
- +/- Calls could be in vehicle Insurance in regards to: insurance of cars, trucks, motorcycles, and other road vehicles.
- +/- Calls could be in Life and Health insurance in regards to: Insurance of Health (Dental, Vision, Medications), Life (Long-Term Care, Accidental Death and Dismemberment, Hospital Indemnity), Miscellaneous (Europe Travel Insurance, Trip Cancellation Insurance, Cruise Insurance, Missionaries Insurance, marine Crew Insurance), Annuities (Securities) and Life and Annuities.
Seats : 10 Seats X 3 Shift
Payout : $10 Per Hour Per Agent
Billing : Approx 35 lakhs for 30 Seats. (Advance Billing for 1 Month at the time of Go Live)
Payment methodology: The Business Associate will diligently carry out Inbound Customer Care work; Business Associates will get calls on a regular daily basis as per below mentioned terms and conditions. Client agrees to provide Validation formats/Process document and other necessary information for processing documents to the Business Associate at the time of work commencement. The Business Associate shall submit the Reports as per schedule provided by the client; however Payouts are be released after getting the QC report of (bi-weekly) that particular period. The Client will pay each bill within maximum 5th of each month, all then payouts are going to be release after Quality Check Certificate. The Payout can be raised through e-mail or Fax and followed by hard copy. Q.C will be provided in 10-15 working days.
Quality: The Business Associate shall maintain accuracy of 84.99% for the processed as per Quality score card terms and norms. If the Business Associate cannot reach 84.99% accuracy on 1st submission then the Client shall give the Business Associate another 15 days for rectifying the mistake in future workings and there after the Client has the right to terminate this agreement on receiving 3rd Quality report with a further notice.
Documents Required:
- Company Profile and DOT Certificate
- Company’s LOI (Letter of Interest)
- Director’s Proof along with Senior Management Profile
- Pan Card o Company’s Registration Proof
- Center’s Screen Shots
Technical Requirements:
- 2 MBPS Leased Line + Server ( Min 8 GB RAM IBM X360 with Xeon Processor )
- 10-12 Seats capacity with 12 computers along with 12 headphones.
- Dual core Computers (Minimum) + 1 GB RAM.
- Server: “IBM X360 (Xeon Processor) with 8 GB RAM and 1 TB HDD (Minimum or more than that).
- PABX, ACD and CRM are from Client Side 4 MBPS Leased Line or we also accept if center wanted to use their Thin Clients shall operate in a Fiber rich environment with its own bandwidth.
- In Each Slot, A team of 10 (Ten), Agents (the Team), 1 Team Leaders, one Trainer. All mentioned above must be provided in One week, starting from the day this agreement is signed.
Commercial Charges Apply : Signup amount: INR 7,00,000
If you are interested contact us @ contact.savebpo@gmail.com or call us at 9701875999/ 8143444986
Please don’t ask for more details as you got them all in this post.
The offered campaign needs the knowledge of an insurance salesman. The education of an insurance salesman takes in Europe 3 years. How can agents, which don't know anything about insurances and centers where even the center owners don't know something about the law in foreign countries, will be able to handle such a job? How good the education in India is and how much interest about foreign laws gets already shown by offering such a sham campaign. The scammer is even too stupid to invent a real scam campaign.
That education of the scammer Phani Indra / Malladi Phanindra has been not better than passing far away from any school gets shown by the fact that he requires IBM X360 Xeon Processor for the center. it shows only that he has no idea about the requirements of a call center and the work of a call center. A client will not load any application to the server of the center. Into forms are getting only some text data to the server of the client submitted. Such a datatransfer to websites can get done at the lowest speed of a mobile Internet connection. Depending on the used codec from the center and the VoIP provider is additional a bandwidth between 8kBit/sec and 80kBit/sec per seat necessary. A bandwith of 1MBit/sec would be plenty enough for a center with 10 agents.
The scammer Phani Indra / Malladi Phanindra from savebpo.com seems even to be stupid, because I have warned him in a chat about the scam. As everybody can see it in the provided protocol below he agreed with it and continued to post more of his scam campaigns instead of deleting them. The provided timezone is GMT+1:
1:32pm Save Bpo:
Thank you for your caution
Ill look into this
but i see there are 3 centers running this process from 18 months
Can you help me with this ?
1:45pm Rudolf Faix: You can only delete it because it is against the U.S. consumer protection law. Some other option is not possible
1:45pm Save Bpo:
Hmm, Thank you
Well i got partnered with callcentersindia.com and got these projects
Do you think its worth to work with them ?
1:46pm Rudolf Faix: Each inbound project with consumer data is nothing else than scam (countries: Australia, Canada, European Union, U.S.)
1:47pm Save Bpo:
Sorry
with callcenterpartner.com *
1:47pm Rudolf Faix:
That is nothing else than an advanced fee scam. Agents would even not be able to handle it without a few month training
You should know about the law in the different countries before you are offering something
1:49pm Save Bpo: True
1:49pm Rudolf Faix: the only possible and legit campaigns are lead generation
1:50pm Save Bpo: Ill have a look into them
2:13pm Rudolf Faix: callcenterpartner has the campaign not at their homepage. Have I overseen it?
He did even not stop with his copy and paste process from callcenterpartners.com. He even copied the campaign from Deep Blue Marketing where onshore U.S. centers are getting searched. It seems that he thinks that U.S. companies are searching in India or on India websites for campaigns. For this idea you need to have studied, like he has written on his LinkedIn profile, at the Kakatiya University. We all know that intelligence is not commercially acquirable. Without thinking he has copied all campaigns from callcenterpartners.com - even the scam campaigns where data needs to get used, which are protected by law and not one client will give a center access to these data.
The above campaign gets found in the callcentersform.com and rssing.com. With other words the scammer even does not know from where he is copyng the campaigns. The only purpose or the campaign offers is to get an advance fee. That is nothing else than SCAM!!! All actions of the scammer are showing only how lazy he is. Malladi Phanindra / Phani Indra is even too lazy to invent his own campaigns. It seems to be very hard for someone which likes to have studied at an University to use his brain.
Summary
- Not one client will risk to get fined with millions of dollars for giving you access to his customer database. The fine is much higher then the client is able to save on such a project.
- Uneducated agents are not able to handle such a job
- Everwhere where you have to pay to get some campaigns you'll get only scammed
- Fees for the broker or consultant need to get paid from this one, which hires the broker or consultant and not from the company which shall do the work.
- Real brokers with a contract with a client have to work for the client and not for the center for this the client has to pay them
- Scammers like Phani Indra / Malladi Phanindra are thinking they can get rich by creating a website and copy and paste from others without any knowledge of the content. They even don't know that not one client is searching for a broker or consultant from abroad!
For this reason it does not make any sense to create a platform like savebpo.com in India. Not one client will use it.
- Scammers from India are normally not listed with their sham companies on the site Ministry of Corporate Affairs (http://www.mca.gov.in/DCAPortalWeb/dca/SearchCIN.do). But be aware you can get scammed from listed companies there too.
Domain registration data from savebpo.com:
Domain Name: SAVEBPO.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1844257178_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Update Date: 2014-12-24T19:02:11Z
Creation Date: 2014-01-25T23:50:36Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-01-25T23:50:36Z
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 146
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@godaddy.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4806242505
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
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Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Phani Indra
Registrant Organization: SaveBpo
Registrant Street: 3-156/9/6,Vimaladevinagar
Registrant Street: Malkajgiri
Registrant City: Hyderabad
Registrant State/Province: Andhra Pradesh
Registrant Postal Code: 500047
Registrant Country: India
Registrant Phone: +91.9701875999
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Registrant Email: kornersudden@hotmail.com
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Phani Indra
Admin Organization: SaveBpo
Admin Street: 3-156/9/6,Vimaladevinagar
Admin Street: Malkajgiri
Admin City: Hyderabad
Admin State/Province: Andhra Pradesh
Admin Postal Code: 500047
Admin Country: India
Admin Phone: +91.9701875999
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Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: Phani Indra
Tech Organization: SaveBpo
Tech Street: 3-156/9/6,Vimaladevinagar
Tech Street: Malkajgiri
Tech City: Hyderabad
Tech State/Province: Andhra Pradesh
Tech Postal Code: 500047
Tech Country: India
Tech Phone: +91.9701875999
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